the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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We’ve seen that Javid’s fave book is The Fountainhead, right?

suzy, Monday, 30 April 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link

combined with this profile picture as well, like he thinks he's some kind of sardonic wit, taking a waspish sideways look at UK politics or something

https://www.conservativehome.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Screen-Shot-2016-01-20-at-11.33.10.png

soref, Monday, 30 April 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link

is that ridiculous "power pose" that Javid, May, Cameron have all done in recent times a Randian thing?

calzino, Monday, 30 April 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link

It’s gotta be the physical iteration of NLP.

suzy, Monday, 30 April 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link

Not sure if I'd prefer to think Hunt is taking the piss here, sarcastically gloating over his own longevity and regarding the idea that Rudd's departure really means a damn. Perhaps every Cabinet minister this decade has cursed themselves for not being given Hunt's position.

Devastating news for all of us lucky enough to serve with @AmberRuddHR. In cabinet she was always a true statesman who spoke her mind publicly and privately irrespective of the politics. She will be missed until she is back which she will be!

— Jeremy Hunt (@Jeremy_Hunt) April 30, 2018

nashwan, Monday, 30 April 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/KS6LxEc.jpg

conrad, Monday, 30 April 2018 20:49 (six years ago) link

it's so weird when a cabinet minister is forced to resign due to a scandal and their colleagues are openly saying they hope they return soon (or that they WILL return in Hunt's case) - doesn't this just make a farce of the whole thing? I remember this happening quite a bit in the Blair era as well so it's nothing new, but still

soref, Monday, 30 April 2018 20:59 (six years ago) link

Resignation is treated like a sin bin and it seems like for 300 or so MPs in a governing party there's only ever around a tenth of that who are deemed worthy of being in the Cabinet over the course of a decade or longer. Even if Remain had won Liam Fox would've bounced his way back in too.

nashwan, Monday, 30 April 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link

It was only 'technicalities' that stopped Jeffrey Archer's return...

Mark G, Monday, 30 April 2018 21:42 (six years ago) link

I've still got a memory of seeing post political career Archer playing basketball on Wogan in the late 80's or something, fuck!

calzino, Monday, 30 April 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link

I've tried adding ellipses to the end of that last post and it was still fucking shit ...

calzino, Monday, 30 April 2018 22:07 (six years ago) link

that bad Lisa Nandy tweet has now been expanded into a bad HuffPo article:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/abusing-and-threatening-politicians-does-not-cure-our-broken-system_uk_5ae72d9be4b055fd7fce41e3

I'd tend to agree that the amount of vitriol and hate on twitter has a negative effect, even if some of it's understandable, and I think some of the online left are too willing to handwave it when it comes from their side - but this seems like a terrible example to use, and the argument that ppl being nasty about Rudd on twitter and the bigotry towards minorities are both examples of toxic political discourse is weak

soref, Monday, 30 April 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link

oh ffs! That Nandy tweet was so braindead and rong and illiterate, it didn't deserve expanding on.

calzino, Monday, 30 April 2018 22:17 (six years ago) link

Don't let's be beastly to the Tories.

nashwan, Monday, 30 April 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link

Nandy comes across as quite thick tbh

Heavy Messages (jed_), Monday, 30 April 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link

I think she's pretty sharp, but she also seems attracted to some really dreadful ideas, I remember she was one of the people pushing that 'progressive patriotism' thing, appearing at some events put on by Blue Labour and John Denham's godforsaken English Labour Network rtc

soref, Monday, 30 April 2018 22:36 (six years ago) link

Rudd is a classic ministerial resignation, no? Your department does something wrong, you lie, you get caught out, you resign. It's the least-21st-century drama we've seen for a while.

it was stale, and I did not like it, as the man said, &c (seandalai), Monday, 30 April 2018 22:57 (six years ago) link

It’s gotta be the physical iteration of NLP.


Yes. ‘Power Poses’ Researcher Dana Carney Now Says Effects are “Undeniably” False - looks like it’s social priming nonsense that’s quickly hit the replicability crisis. Fortunately this particular one has the advantage of making tories stand like utter bellends.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 06:09 (six years ago) link

When I was working in China one of the high-ups in the company (an American business school type) led presentations on this stuff, and as a low-ranking manager I had to roll it out to my team. I was very glad to be able to tell them all (from the safety of my new job in the UK) when it was debunked. It was too late to stop me attempting, and horribly failing, to use it to increase my confidence in an interview where I completely crashed and burned though, so thanks for that Amy Cuddy and W*** D*****

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 06:46 (six years ago) link

i'd be marginally concerned that politicians in a representative democracy are into power poses and strong leadership and all that but ugggh what's the point fuck politics tbh

the vomming of the snark (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 06:59 (six years ago) link

whoah! Woodcock suspended and whip has been withdrawn sexual harassment.

Whatever it takes - MP by MP, councillor by councillor..

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 07:25 (six years ago) link

apparently suspending him was a Jennie Formby decision. I'll get her a beer in.

calzino, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 07:35 (six years ago) link

xp that means someone sent Theresa May on an NLP course, LOL. But I tend to think that whenever I hear one of their ministers say ‘it is right that...’ in answer to some question about a constituent pranged by DWP or similar.

“Legs apart, try not to fart!”

suzy, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 07:37 (six years ago) link

I don't really know what to think of all this corporate psuedo-science bollox, at least until I've read Noel Edmunds take on it all.

calzino, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 07:39 (six years ago) link

Mr Edmonds can't come to the phone right now as he has chained himself to the bike rack outside his local Barclays

the vomming of the snark (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 07:48 (six years ago) link

Whenever I have to do a speak on a film, I always begin by striking a power pose. Then I turn around, point to my name on the screen, and use the opportunity to shake my ass a little. That usually gets their attention.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 07:53 (six years ago) link

I demand spotlights, dry ice and the intro to Back In Black before any presentations.

The NLP stuff smacks of such deep insecurity in the political class it’s embarrassing. Literally all they need to do half the time is stand there and not look weird and they can’t even manage that.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 08:13 (six years ago) link

Pseudo-scientific corporate bollocks is the best way of knowing that all these people are mugs, and the teachers/testers/programmers see them as stuffed open wallets. *steeples fingers*

suzy, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 08:17 (six years ago) link

"see them as stuffed open wallets"

A bit like how China General Nuclear saw Gideon coming, when he was getting rinsed on the Hinckley Point C deal. The problem with people already millionaires in their 20's is that some tend to develop a lifelong arrogant sense of their own "special" predestination and uniqueness. Fucking tools.

calzino, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 08:49 (six years ago) link

Literally all they need to do half the time is stand there and not look weird and they can’t even manage that.

To be fair I've spent the best part of 40 years trying and failing to do this

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 08:57 (six years ago) link

Literally all they need to do half the time is stand there and not look weird and they can’t even manage that.

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-12/1/12/enhanced/webdr10/enhanced-buzz-19746-1417454607-35.jpg

gyac, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 09:27 (six years ago) link

Should have just gone the whole hog and just put 'leprosy'.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 09:33 (six years ago) link

A bit harsh on hepatitis to compare it with Ian Austin!

calzino, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 09:41 (six years ago) link

lol

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 09:41 (six years ago) link

- Pestilence

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 09:41 (six years ago) link

lurgy

the vomming of the snark (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 09:52 (six years ago) link

that means someone sent Theresa May on an NLP course, LOL. But I tend to think that whenever I hear one of their ministers say ‘it is right that...’

Fifty virtual pence to whoever can tell me which go-getters' manual instructed the Maybot and many other power-dressers to begin sentences with a variant of "Let me be clear: <obfuscatory content-free waffle>"

It makes me itchy as hell, but perhaps I am just jealous, as I have just enough dim awareness that all my sentences are badly-phrased tangles not to claim otherwise even for NLP points

(I used to be sad that Neuro-Linguistic Snake-Oil had the same abbreviation as Natural Language Processing but now the latter mostly means "let's run 'sentiment analysis' on everyone's social media accounts so we can sell stuff" maybe it's appropriate)

a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 10:12 (six years ago) link

Whenever I hear ‘let me be clear’ it is always in the voice of Barack Obama, so obviously the nerds were going to copy him. Before that, it was Tony Blair with ‘I say to you today’.

suzy, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 10:25 (six years ago) link

'i commission this to be inscribed on a giant stone tablet:'

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 10:55 (six years ago) link

Before that, it was Tony Blair with ‘I say to you today’.

In respect of the fact that [LONG PAUSE] I'm an evil cunt..

Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 10:59 (six years ago) link

blair was also a pioneer in using 'look' at the start of sentences to indicate that the bullshit which followed was actually some straight-talking, no-nonsense TRUTH

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 11:16 (six years ago) link

"We've been very clear about this" maybe came in with Cameron - that erudite "well if you'd been paying attention, Mr Journalist, you would know that..." condescension.

nashwan, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 11:22 (six years ago) link

guys how do we make ash sarkar PM

ogmor, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 11:51 (six years ago) link

we need to elect her as an mp first iirc

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 12:23 (six years ago) link

This is a huge can of worms:

https://www.ft.com/content/2ae9b7d2-4d0c-11e8-8a8e-22951a2d8493

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 12:30 (six years ago) link

praesee for us skinflints?

imago, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 12:31 (six years ago) link


In a judgment on the case of one Bangladeshi student, published last year, an immigration tribunal judge said that the Home Office’s behaviour was ”so unfair and unreasonable as to amount to an abuse of power.”

“The highly questionable quality of the evidence upon which these accusations have been based and the lack of any effective judicial oversight have given rise to some of the greatest injustices that I have encountered in over 20 years of practice,” said Mr Lewis, who has represented several of the affected claimants and overturned the Home Office’s ruling in each case.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 12:32 (six years ago) link

Short summary to follow

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 12:32 (six years ago) link


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