the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

can i just say

WTF LIB DEM PEOPLE?

too answer my own wtf obviously they've consistently done better at local gov level and they are the hardest working pothole-pointers in showbusiness so this is probably a reversion to the mean

they've hoovered up the Remain normcore massive, not really anything surprising there

i thought they were the Remain normcore massive

Lib Dems lost a shitload of seats last time; it’s not really surprising they’ve taken some back. They tend to do well in local campaigns as well. They also had a pact with the Greens in some places.

Labour deserved to lose Barnet, not sorry to say.

love that you can accurately deduce the joke that everyone made without even having to check:

https://i.imgur.com/Q1JgtCc.png

The swings mean little without news on turnout changes - If people who previously voted for UKIP decide to stay home and wait for multicultural death, that's one thing, if they're all still in the game but some of them believe* that the Labour party can protect their interests and also come down hard on Foreigners, that's another.

* or more importantly can be proposed to believe by legitimate concerners

Would love to hear some interviewed going "well I voted UKIP last time and I was a bit at sea, but I hear Labour are anti-semitic now so that gave them the lead"

perhaps if racist UKIP voters had a 6 tests type scrutiny for what makes a proper racist then Labour might fall a bit short, but obviously not totally.

multicultural death is the name of my hip-hop/metalcore collective

g nev will be distressed to see labour and greens have made gains in trafford

xp wasn’t this essentially that yougov question about the public perception of the party positions on immigration the other day?

BBC news website in a bit of a nihilistic mood this morning

https://i.imgur.com/wu5z4UZ.jpg

A lot of my-age Labour voters stayed home; anecdotally, lots of people with kids and mortgages in London sitting on their hands and doing more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger social media posts, lots of Labour councils in London pursuing PFI-style affordable housing schemes and alienating everyone from the softies to the leftmost who seemed to be giving votes to Greens, FPBE arseholes (generally the type most relaxed about Blairites making ‘affordable’ housing schemes) voting LibDem. Six weeks of OTT anti-semitism news stories won’t have helped (there are issues, but not leading-story at least three days a week issues).

Since the Kipper vote has clearly come home to Tories, some Brexit tweaking on Labour’s part is clearly necessary - I think they are trying to go very slowly towards a softer Brexit, so as not to spook Brexit voters who are not UKIP.

One of the many stupid fallacies pedalled by Labour members of all stripes is that voters (and I mean the minority who actually vote in local elections) care about whether their local candidates are centrist or 'moderate' or socialist or whatever. They'll vote according to which party they feel impelled to vote for at national level, driven at least in part by a load of factors that local councillors can't really influence in any case.

The minority who care about the issues in specific ways to their local area in enough detail to want to vote - to the extent that if a council is putting a converting part of a library into a fucking gym - they'd be angry enough to vote for someone else who is at least saying 'stop that'.

And yes there are limitations but you read the headlines about Barnet's outsource of its functions to Capita or Derby's plan to run their entire library service to volunteers and think there are still things that council can either control or at least be seen to be vocal about - and what I'm seeing from tonight is that there is too much centrist scum at Labour council level. Lot of do nothings that you wouldn't want to vote for.

A lot of work to do. xp

starting to experience a slight intensification of 'sheesh maybe Labour need to make some changes' thoughts, not limited to williamson, tbh

nb not policy changes but personnel ones

hmm

― imago, Friday, 4 May 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xyzzzz talk me out of this in your customary charming way

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Try this for charm? Its not on me to put a single nanosecond of my life to talk out priviledged, entitled thrash out of the way they think or the poor choices they make in life. Talk to a therapist or your mum instead.

UKIP has so far lost 92 seats of the 94 it was defending.

But he said it was "not all over" for the Eurosceptic party.

"Think of the Black Death in the Middles Ages," said Mr Oakley.

"It comes along, it causes disruption and then it goes dormant - that is what we are going to do."

UKIP like a hibernating contagion says man with symptoms of hepatitis.

jesus man who shat in your weetabix

Is that beeb screen shot for real?

like I know you've had it rough of late so yknow leeway but cmon queensbury rules here

Yes, bbc shot is real - it was referencing the bizarre tweet by the kipper quoted by calzino above

Black Death. pic.twitter.com/ZQP6dWiZLN

— Paul Oakley UKIP (@PaulJamesOakley) May 4, 2018

Oh shit I see it now

Pretty sure Black Death* would win an ILX poll of those options.

*Theresa May's hip-hop/metalcore collective

(ty Camaraderie)

like I know you've had it rough of late so yknow leeway but cmon queensbury rules here

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lol queensbury rules yes I see just a game. Prick.

Hah, apparently some of the polling stations are also pokestops.

I thought Pokemon Go had fallen off faster than UKIP.

the very real political battleground of ilxor.com, where green voters and labour voters wrestle minute by minute for the fate of the nation

all I'm saying is imagine this Labour Party with Caroline Lucas in charge

sall I'm saying

wat if spiderman and joker frends

ah, I now see the endless possibilities for methane based renewable energy now :p

wat if spiderman and joker frends

actual lols

all I'm saying is imagine this Labour Party with Caroline Lucas in charge

Now imagine the Green Party without Caroline Lucas in charge.

http://www.thecommentator.com/system/articles/inner_pictures/000/005/775/commentary_thumb/Natalie_Bennett.jpg

15-year tory hold of trafford being overturned seems partly due to disastrous outsourcing of basic services inc waste collections to Amey - don't fuck up the bins - but helped by a surprise green victory in altrincham (affluent area)

across manchester there's not been much change. independents (and altrincham greens) have done well primarily where they have been poorly planned developments & infrastructure as well as the more standard general frustration with ineffective council status quo

labour lost kersal in salford due to the antisemitism debacle (they've also had football-development related frustration over salford city giving independents gains). notable btw that PR-conscious man city's developments & higher education projects have been handled much better

Breaking: PM Theresa May says Wandsworth was "top" Labour target in local elections and they "threw everything at it but they failed"

May reduced to celebrating heavy losses not being as heavy as hyped. VMIC.

So far Labour have gained 40 odd seats out of 1500 and the Tories 2 out of 900. Not exactly seismic changes going here.

I see Ranjit Banwait (Labour Derby council leader) has lost his seat to UKIP after occasional RT guest, K Livingstone apologist and f/t clown -Derby MP- Chris Williamsom said: "It's the easiest period to campaign for Labour in my entire life". I keep saying that guy needs to be jettisoned before a general election is called.

I live in Derby these days and, well, it's complicated. Voted labour in my ward through very gritted teeth because yep, the labour led council here have been consistently terrible, Banwait deserved to lose after shit like this and this. Even the labour candidate in my ward (which is a approx 70% tory and had no chance of changing) was openly agreeing he needs to go.

But him losing to UKIP has little to to do with the above and is just down to pure fucking racism (the tory candidate in his ward who came a reasonably close third was also non-white, although complicating matters further still, he's also a UKIP defector). Despite all the ways he's a liability, I don't think Williamson had much to do with this either.

Also apparently this UKIP guy who beat Banwait is Vision from Infinity War or something, I don't fucking know. https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/person/36082/paul-bettany

Not intentionally blaming CW for racist pricks, but you have to admit he is a bit of a persistent embarrassment for appearing on RT and generally being a total arse during the Antisemitism scandal. And other things like wildly going off message and retweeting George Galloway type crap.

100% admit that, yep!

Can someone just put this show out of our misery?

Our second question tonight is on housing #bbcqt pic.twitter.com/QHYtE81eAd

— BBC Question Time (@bbcquestiontime) May 3, 2018

god why do i read these things ffs?

Question Time now operating at the same level of sophistication as Yahoo News

https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/former-haringey-council-leader-joins-regeneration-management-firm-56129

On her appointment Ms Kober said: “High quality housing is the centrepiece of successful thriving communities. That is why I am delighted to be joining Pinnacle Group as director of housing, ensuring that the company continues to play a leading role in the provision of high quality housing management services.

she's taken a slight paycut, not rinsing two wages now!

Was the answer "uhhh, No?" ?

Funny thing is, I spent about four months not eating (well, not paying for it) thanks to being in hosp in 1987, and when I came out, I'd saved enough to put down on a flat.

But, that's just me.

You'd have to be Mark Gangster these days to pull that off! And you'd probably end up owing something to one of Branson's healthcare firms.

Kober is such a banana republic-type figure. The battle against these ppl is just beginning.

Here is a good piece on the left and Labour councils:

https://newsocialist.org.uk/better-a-dented-shield-the-left-and-labour-councils/

Electoral Reform Society are saying 3981 voters were turned away in the voter ID trial polling stations. That seems staggeringly high considering the low turnouts.

It was a massive problem in '17 : "While 337 allegations of electoral fraud were made across the UK, the majority - 207 cases - resulted in no further action and a further 82 were "locally resolved"."

the fox news 9-11pm EST power hours are worse for american culture than BBCQT is for british culture, but not by a lot.