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Yeah, if I didn’t read sci-fi with bad covers, I may never actually read a book.

more put off by Orson Scott Card endorsement

Bad covers should be no impediment are an enticement to the seasoned prospector.

I couldn't get into Anubis Gates

It would have made a cracking role-playing game manual though

i mean it's that kind of book, a system fantasy, he excels at that stuff

blaylock will always be my one true love but powers has kept more productive than him

i couldn't get into anubis gates either

that cover looks like it's for a jasper fforde book

Three Body Problem is 99p in the Kindle deal of the day in the UK today...

Mixed reviews above. Worth reading all three books? I kind of don't want to start it unless the whole lot is worth the effort.

about 3BP? yeah, one of the search results i found was me asking last time it was cheap whether it was worth reading and being put off by the results. i did click the button yesterday though because 99p

Oh, I mean, worth the time, not the cost - I've bought it already! I'm just dubious about starting a trilogy unless it's worth reading the whole thing.

I liked it, overall. Full of ideas, sense of long-range time, but also generations of characters handing over the baton over that period of time (later achieved by cryogenics). One of those things where the strengths are strong enough to make it a recommendation despite the weaknesses.

(last time i looked i had 40+ things in my todo shelf anyway (and that's just the ebooks). everything i read prompts me to want to read at least one more thing.)

have just started We. which seems to have inspired pretty much every book in the world ever if you read wikipedia (brave new world, 1984, anthem, player piano, logan's run, the dispossed, invitation to a beheading. and reminds me of thx1138)

(and that prompted me to add two jack london books to the list, iron heel, scarlet plague...)

We is great. V strange.

Loved We.

Read an Elizabeth Jane Howard ghost story and it's pretty good. She only wrote 4 stories but she has a fair number of fans considering that. She was buddies with Robert Aickman, they did a split collection and that's probably a big part of why she is still known.

wasn’t he her first husband? we are for the dark (if i’m remembering rightly) was a collection of their collaborations (again, i’m hazy on this). but from what i’ve read she wrote stuff that added to the english ghost story.

Before Kingsley?

She wrote more than 4! I have a collection of her stories here.or do you mean pure supernatural stories?

I guess but I didn't know she wrote anything but that and a children's book.

ah they were lovers not married (tho yes, she was married twice before kingsley). there were six stories in “We Are For The Dark” and although all are officially collaborations i think three are credited to her.

i’ll have a read again today. my general (not unproblematic) view is that the english ghost story strand of the victorian period maintained its formal, stylistic and imaginative characteristics to become a specific subgenre in the U.K., until US science fiction and horror, itself a branch of that same victorian strand, got taken up by UK writers (inc TV).

iirc We Are For The Dark is an early, non-US innovation on the standard. the pastoral is uncanny and dangerous in abstract, structural ways, to do with time and space and fabric. a sort of immanence. they’re interesting and good.

I read it in the first volume of Aickman's Fontana anthologies of Great Ghost Stories, which he ballsily puts stories by himself and EJH in. It's generally frowned upon to put your own stories into anthologies, but that he put them in anthologies of all-time greats is another level and many would say he stands up well in them.

i just had a quick read of the first two stories – my memory of the whole set was clearly dominated by the EJH (I assume) short story The Trains, which is really excellent. The first, Perfect Love overextends its premise I think, but is sinister enough.

The Trains is Aickman -- one of his best

There you go. Had it completely wrong – thanks Brad. It really is very good as you say. I've seen Aickman is almost thought to have started his own subgenre - 'Aickmanesque'. Do you know what characterises that? I haven't read enough to spot its elements.

As far as I've read, it's when there's not just the question of some supernatural incident but everything seems off and ambiguous.

Yep, ok that makes sense. 'Everything just seems off' is good. It's close in one sense to that Roald Dahl/Tales of the Unexpected Stuff - uncanny rather than supernatural. But I find his stuff actively unpleasant (not always in a bad way) and its uncanniness gaudy and cruel.

Walter De La Mare is similar but less gaudy and cruel. Oliver Onions and Henry James are not too distant. The type of horror that is going to disappoint a lot of people by being far too vague for most tastes.

There's a guy I know online who is particularly obsessed by this mode and he often has Elizabeth Jane Howard as his forum and twitter avatars

i *love* WdlM short stories. i think Lispet, Lissette and Vaine is one of my all time favourite stories.

*Lispett

She's quite different in style and material from Aickman, but I get a similar feeling of stylish unease from Isak Dinesen's Seven Gothic Tales

The Elizabeth Jane Howard story was "Three Miles Up", about the two canal boater guys finding a mysterious young woman to join them on their trip. Something that interests me about it is how her confidence varies, and wondering why.

are you talking about EJH or the character? (its a feature of the trains as well. if EJH i’d say it’s because her confidence as a person varied. extraordinarily talented, beautiful and uncertain. because in a v male world where she was sought after.

The character. She could have been powerful and mysterious the whole way and it would have lessened the effect.

yep - i mean that’s a feature throughout that book regardless of RA or EJH accreditation. it feels like the collaboration status is meaningful. EJH and K Amis used to write bits of each other’s books to see whether anyone noticed which i always found quite fun and touching.

Some recent purchases, despite my slowness in getting through everything I've got, I think I've made some peace with buying more just to get a little buzz and increase my options. I did actually buy and read Aliya Whiteley's (very short) The Beauty in this period so hooray for me.

New Voices Of Fantasy edited by Peter S Beagle & Jacob Weisman
Weirdbook (a large pile of issues)
Drowning In Beauty edited by Justin Isis & Daniel Corrick
Year's Best Weird Fiction vol1 edited by Laird Barron & Michael Kelly
Mantid Magazine 1-2 edited by Farah Rose Smith

Farah Rose Smith - The Visitor
James Champagne - Autopsy Of An Eldritch City
James Champagne - Grimoire
Adrian Cole - Oblivion Hand
Paul Hazel - Finnbranch (a trilogy omnibus)
Nathalie Henneberg - The Green Gods
Priya Sharma - All The Fabulous Beasts
Tanith Lee - Tanith By Choice: Best Of
Brian McNaughton - Throne Of Bones
Silvia Moreno Garcia - This Strange Way Of Dying
Martha Wells - The Cloud Roads (book 1 of Raksura)
Anne Sylvie Salzman - Darkscapes
Nina Antonia - The Greenwood Faun
Paul StJohn Mackintosh - Echo Of The Sea
Neil Williamson - Moon King
George MacDonald - Complete Fairy Tales

Tanith By Choice rather than by coercion or just the inevitability of circumstance?

Story selection choices of her friends and her husband.

She’s a new enthusiasm of mine, reading the flat earth vol. 1 and loving the tone

As far as I've read, it's when there's not just the question of some supernatural incident but everything seems off and ambiguous.

Huh, that's pretty much what I think of weird fiction as.

Depends whose definition really. I think Joshi might have popularized using it perhaps interchangeably with supernatural horror.

Still don't know if the last two Flat Earth books are coming out, maybe they're too unfinished.

The Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America (SFWA) announced the winners of the 2017 Nebula Awards at an awards banquet during the 52nd Annual Nebula Conference held May 19, 2018 at the Pittsburgh Marriott Center in Pittsburgh PA
Here they are: https://locusmag.com/2018/05/2017-nebula-awards-winners/
And I ain't read a one. Although am reading Best American Science Ficion & Fantasy 2015.

@tordotcom
21 hours ago

Nice touch. There’s one at every seat at the Nebula Awards banquet. #Nebulas2018
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdmCv5LVQAIds-z.jpg

If it doesn't show up, it's a button that says "Thank you, Ursula."

The only Nebula nominee i have read was the Martha Wells, but it was very good.

Now reading The Wandering Earth, a fat collection of Cixin Liu's novellas. Combines astonishing and amazing physics and cosmology ideas with seriously cardboard characterisations and dialogue. Like Golden Age SF written with access to 21st century theories.

Good thing I stopped buying books: this is hella expensive---but still nice to be tempted:

https://subterraneanpress.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/h/o/houses_under_the_sea_by_caitlin_r_kiernan.gif

We've just received another ten copies of Caitlin R. Kiernan's mammoth Lovecraftian collection, Houses Under the Sea, likely the last time we'll be able to reorder from Centipede Press.
In our estimation, this is the collection of the year thus far, both from content and presentation standpoints. Look for copies to be rare on the secondary market.
About the Book:
Since H.P. Lovecraft first invited colleagues such as Frank Belknap Long and Robert Bloch (among others) to join in his creation of what has come to be known as "The Cthulhu Mythos" (over Lovecraft's less invocative name of "Yog-Sothery"), dozens of authors have tried their hand at adding to this vast tapestry with varying degrees of success. Some, like the then teen-aged Ramsey Campbell, used the Mythos as a starting point to his own career while still finding his own authorial voice (The Inhabitant of the Lake and Less Welcome Tenants, Arkham House 1964); others, like Stephen King and Neil Gaiman, did so at the height of their careers, paying homage to an author who had been such a tremendous inspiration to them. But no one, absolutely no one, has contributed such a body of brilliant and profoundly original work to the Mythos as has Caitlín R. Kiernan.
The stories are fully illustrated with over 30 new full page illustrations by Richard A. Kirk, John Kenn Mortensen, and Vince Locke. The full wraparound dustjacket and frontispiece are by Piotr Jablonski.
In this remarkable collection the author has selected over two dozen of her best Lovecraftian tales ranging from 2000s "Valentian" to her more recent classic "A Mountain Walked" as well as including the complete Dandridge Cycle, as well as a new story, "M Is for Mars." In short, this is a cornerstone volume for Kiernan fans and Mythos devotees alike. This edition is limited to 500 signed copies, each signed by Caitlín R. Kiernan, Michael Cisco, S.T. Joshi, and the artists: Piotr Jablonski, Richard A. Kirk, John Kenn Mortensen, and Vince Locke.
Edition Information:
-- Limited to 500 copies, each signed by Caitlín R. Kiernan, Michael Cisco, S.T. Joshi, and the artists: Piotr Jablonski, Richard A. Kirk, John Kenn Mortensen, and Vince Locke.
-- Oversize at 6½ × 11 inches.
-- 552 pages.
-- New introduction by S.T. Joshi.
-- New afterword by Michael Cisco.
-- Full Dutch cloth with two color stamping on spine and blind stamp on front board.
-- Clothbound slipcase.
-- Printed endpapers.
-- Ribbon marker, head and tail bands.

Subterranean Press

Kiernan is v impressive and I would read the shit out of that

Does any other literary genre besides SF make so much of its interesting work almost unavailable except to those with incredible wealth?

idk, making nice things in limited quantities is expensive - you think Subterranean Press is raking it in?

Not at all, but hardly anyone is reading the books, either.

At least it's keeping ST Joshi in 'yet another lovecraft introduction' work.