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midori is dope

and that's interesting about conditionals & duolingo -- was under the impression that DL was more for conversational basics and didn't realize it gets into grammar rules, conjugation patterns, and so on. いいね！

Don’t know if it is teaching the conditional per se, more that I have been forced to confront it when doing the reverse tree.

Another app for perusal is LingoDeer. Like Duolingo but explains grammar and has some of the social aspects of buusuu. Mercifully you can test out of the lower levels.

That looks interesting and doesn’t cost anything. Are there ads?

Almost done with the reverse tree adjectives, I mean 形容詞 lesson.

Looking forward to the present tense, I mean 現在形.

Also, over the years I have picked up and put down several Remember the Kanji book. This round I am giving it a go with Kanji Starter 1, by Daiki Kusuya.

There don’t appear to be ads. I’m not sure how it is supposed to make money, even offline seems to be free

Just came across a new term, aconative verb.

reviewed the passive form this weekend. great for complaining! 😎

Cool. Now onto adverbs, I mean 副詞.

Question: how to pronounce 鶏肉? Midori writes one thing, says another.

Question: how to pronounce 鶏肉? Midori writes one thing, says another.

So sorry for the double post. *bows deeply*

long answer: study on and kun readings

short answer: it's based on context. so whatever it says. each word/pronunciation has a (slightly) different meaning

what is the purpose of your studying japanese and how much do you want to learn, is really a question you should ask yourself, because it will influence whether you want to waste your time learning the on/kun reading for every kanji

find a good dictionary and you can know all the readings. which one to use will be based on your understanding of the context it's used in

Thanks but this is a very specific question. Midori has the pronunciation of that kanji combo as けいにく, とりにく. Then it has example sentences with the the first pronunciation written in kana above the kanji, but the spoken version seems to be saying “niwa tori niku.”

right

what i said still stands

it's not uncommon for there to be a discrepancy like that in a lot of japanese teaching material, because they just choose one reading of it to teach you

the kun reading of 鶏 is either にわとり or とり

the on reading is ケイ

if it helps, without reading the sentence, i'm pretty sure the reading is けいにく

what is probably happening is there is a soundbank of each kanji. and midori is probably calling that sound file for each kanji, without considering the context, so it is giving you one reading for each character

Yes, that may we’ll be the case, thanks. Haven’t been using the Speaking feature too heavily and just noticed this.

it's very difficult for a machine to choose the right reading for each kanji automatically if your sentences are being populated automatically, but i guess a really good software/app/learning program would be able to do it

for what it's worth, most japanese learning software is bad

ハイデル

おめでとう！頑張って新しい言葉を学んでいるね！

最高！

Tae Kim’s material was available in handy app form but it hasn’t been updated to 64bit so it doesn’t work any more.

Thanks for that.

LingoDeer is teaching me some things that I hadn’t learnt elsewhere yet. The grammar explanations are pretty good. I wish this had been around when i started.

鍋を食べながら燗酒を飲みます。
この日本酒は飲みやすいです。

Tried the placement test for that but didn't register yet so it is not keeping track of my level, I don't think.

Duolingo started throwing up some weird ones and the grammar dictionary is teaching me the differ English between male and female speech which is faair clowning my mind.

Male -何をしているんだい
Female - 何をしているの

This is why the grammar dictionary comes in 3 volumes an inch and a half thick. This is from ‘basic grammar’

皆さんおはよう。

Now I have two upcoming trips to Japan! So I need to work again in earnest on my language. I will have a look at the Genki textbooks when I am there, or if I can find them here (don't just wanna order blind online).

But have any of you tried https://minato-jf.jp🕸 ? They are run by the Japan Foundation, and are free. I have good experience with online courses so maybe I'll do this instead of duolingo, where I share some of Ed's concerns.

I have been lazy / overburdened / lazy so not yet.

わかるよ。

Have about eight nodes left on Duolingo Japanese tree and now looking it over and wonder how much grammar is really taught. Don’t seem to see any of the special purpose grammar lessons I see on other trees. Presumably this is because the grammar is so different but still

しつれいします。

立派

I just did the placement test for Minato and got 74/100 and it recommended doing courses. A2-3 or A2-4 which don’t start until the autumn but it is good to be graded.

Seems like it would be worth my while doing A2-1/2 in the interim. Repetition is really working out for me.

Lesson 11 complete

お酒は何でもいいですか。
私は日本酒がいいです。

Hm. Just noticing that Midori and imiwa? have a lot of the exact same example sentences.

Like this one, for example:

このメルマガは、昨今の語学産業界の甘言に躍らされることなく、文法解釈という古典的学習法こそ王道と信じて疑わない方のためのメルマガです。
This e-zine is for those who, unswayed by the cajolery of the modern language industry, firmly trust that the traditional learning method of grammatical analysis is the way to go.

Just when I am thinking that things are getting straight forward something like this comes up

いいえ、あったことありません。

I sure if i'd wanted to say No i have not met him I would done it something like

彼をあっていました。

On the plus side I am able to fumble my way through some of the easier articles on Tango Risto and able to understand the gist of whats going on even if things don't make total sense.

(NB I am ina weird situation where my department has been eliminated and I'm hanging around for redundancy so my days are spent applying for jobs, and studying japanese)

This seems like it might be useful: https://kanjialive.com/214-traditional-kanji-radicals/

Getting a ton of mileage out of Midori, but still find imiwa? useful in certain cases.

I have my first gripe about lingodeer, only a minor one as I’m nearly at the end of the tree. It’s realky accelerated and is trying to grind through too much grammar in each section.

The last section on using -る form got through all of this.

2. ~~とき

"…時/とき(toki)" means "when…". The Kanji "時" and hiragana "とき" are interchangeable.

…+時/とき

Example

English

N＋の＋とき

yasumi no toki, itsumo nani o shimasuka

休みのとき、いつも何をしますか。

What do you usually do when having a break?

A1+とき

chiisai toki, nihon ni sundeimashita

小さいとき、日本に住んでいました。

I lived in Japan when I was little.

A2+な＋とき

hima na toki, yoku toshokan de hon o yomimasu

暇なとき、よく図書館で本を読みます。

I often read in the library when I’m free.

Ｖる＋とき

yasumu toki, itsumo nani o shimasuka

休むとき、いつも何をしますか。

What do you usually do when you’re having a break?

toukyou ni iku toki, kaban o kaimashita

東京に行くとき、かばんを買いました。

I bought a bag before I went to Tokyo.

Ｖた＋とき

toukyou ni itta toki, kaban o kaimashita

東京に行ったとき、かばんを買いました。

I bought a bag when I was in Tokyo.

Attention:

Interesting. Just looked that up in Midori and see that, as is often is case, as I recently learned and posted about, there are some other kanji with the same pronunciation and almost the same meaning with a different nuance:

とき【時, 刻, 秋】
 
noun
1. time, hour, moment (刻 signifies a time of day; 秋 signifies an important time)
2. occasion, case (only 時)
3. chance, opportunity, season (only 時)
4. the times, the age, the day (only 時)
5. tense (only 時)

Although it hard to find examples using the other two kanji.

I do see 刻, but pronounced こく．

秋, of course, is usually pronounced, あき.

Although looking in another dictionary and also using the Japanese keyboard for input confirms these other pronunciations.

大器晩成

One thing that seems preferable in imiwa? over Midori: the component breakdown. Imiwa? always gives you the components that can help you remember and look up by the multiradical method and Midori often doesn’t.

So for instance, for りゅう＝竜, Midori just says

components: 龍

Whereas imiwa? has

Radical 龍 「りゅう」dragon
Components 立竜田乙

The one kanji being the simplified version of the other in this case. Of course that is the ON reading of the kanji for the KUN reading, たつ, there is also the homophone 辰. Jack Halpern’s Kanji Learner’s Dictionary has a cross reference at the end of entries. Finally for English speaking dragons there is ドラゴン。

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