the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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Mogg might find ppl not doffing their caps and saying "g'day squire" if he ventured outside of his fantasy bubble.

calzino, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 09:15 (five years ago) link

odd that may might be twitchy about the public making unexpected decisions when prompted

martin short's interiors (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 09:38 (five years ago) link

Imagine being such an absurdly posh + spoilt brat as JRM is, that you can literally talk as much fantasy based spurious hare-brained claptrap as you like, and grown-ups don't even interrupt you and actually treat you like a very seriously important player. That's a big part of what is so wrong with this fucking country.

calzino, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 09:57 (five years ago) link

The only reason he's considered important is because he might be able to take the government down, regardless of how harebrained he is. If he wasn't, May would just ignore him rather than tiptoeing around him. I don't really recall anyone paying much attention to him as anything more than a backbench crank before the GE.

For what I can tell there's a reasonably clear customs union majority in the Commons if the Cabinet is minded to go for one, so it's unlikely JRM can have that much of an effect, but he's clearly considered a threat to someone.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 10:44 (five years ago) link

His threat is also due to his (perceived) power to get the ERG to send the 51 48 letters to the 1922 committee that would cause an vote on May's leadership, though?

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 11:33 (five years ago) link

Theresa May’s inner Brexit cabinet is preparing to meet again, with ministers pessimistic about breaking the customs deadlock after Jacob Rees-Mogg said hard Brexit MPs would not back down.

Ahead of the subcommittee meeting on Tuesday, Rees-Mogg, who heads the European Research Group of pro-Brexit Conservative MPs, said he was not minded to take a more conciliatory position. “If we were to do so it would completely undermine the heart of why we voted to leave, rendering our almost-reclaimed sovereignty a myth,” he said.

heaven forfend that our sovereignty become a myth

martin short's interiors (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 11:52 (five years ago) link

Strong and stable government.

Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 11:55 (five years ago) link

yes, JRM's standing as a player re: the parliamentary party and 1922 committee is easy enough to understand. But I also meant the manner of total deference from "heavyweights" like the Dimbleby bros, who just stand off and give the cunt the mike, but wasn't clear about that!

calzino, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 13:38 (five years ago) link

Oh yeah that shite is inexcusable

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link

i'm out of the loop these days. why does JRM has the power to take the government down?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 17:09 (five years ago) link

He chairs the European Research Group (ERG), about 60~ Tory MPs all in favour of hard Brexit. They could force a leadership challenge, which could bring the government down, or they could abstain from government votes/side with Labour, meaning the government couldn’t pass through any legislation. If May had won that 100+, they could be safely ignored, but since she didn’t...

gyac, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link

are those 60 hard brexit tories really that unified that one person can make them do (or not do) a thing? last time i was following this stuff closely they all hated each other.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link

The ERG night have internal disagreements but 62(?) of them signed a letter to the pm putting across their view of what Brexit should be, and JRM was elected by the same people. They are probably more unified than either of the two main parties, but then they’re a single-issue interest group.

gyac, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link

got it. thank you

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link

the Boris dad-sprint out of parliament before he would face a Thornberry question on the Gaza massacre was about as amusing as something can be under the abysmal circumstances, but what a cunt. Didn't post it in case it was fake RT shit, but it looked genuine.

calzino, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 08:47 (five years ago) link

Really needed the Benny Hill music for that.

suzy, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 11:20 (five years ago) link

Overweight creepy comedian, a relic of the 70s, tarnished by persistent accusations of sexism and racism.. and Benny Hill. Thought I'd get that out there before the writers of HIGNFY do.

Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 11:31 (five years ago) link

This is really good from Diane Abbott:

Abbott says there isn’t anything uniquely saintly about the Windrush generation. She argues they have done what all migrants do - contribute economically and culturally

— Maya Goodfellow (@MayaGoodfellow) May 16, 2018

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 11:33 (five years ago) link

Great speech in general although I would prefer terms like "contribute" to not even figure.

nashwan, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 11:40 (five years ago) link

yeah that type of speak really needs to be fucked off, like as if the disabled and working poor don't get demonised enough already.

calzino, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 11:51 (five years ago) link

I meant to add the unemployed as well, of course

calzino, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 11:52 (five years ago) link

Did Abbott actually explain her opposition to an amnesty recently - given that statement about all migrants 'contributing'? There are better ways to frame all of this (which indeed a few others such as Lucas have tended to express better lately albeit under less scrutiny).

nashwan, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 12:22 (five years ago) link

Owning the left by nationalising the trains.

Meanwhile this is comedy:

1/ This was, on reflection, a truly farcical escape attempt. Firstly, Javid's officials seemed stunned to see journalists. In the EU Parliament. They genuinely thought the Home Secretary could come to Brussels and we wouldn't find out about it, which is astonishing naivety. https://t.co/5ADDGlCINQ

— Nick Gutteridge (@nick_gutteridge) May 16, 2018

gyac, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:06 (five years ago) link

Also a bit surprised to learn that Express/Sun journalists bother to go to the EU Parliament tbh.

nashwan, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link

https://res.cloudinary.com/jpress/image/fetch/c_fill,f_auto,q_auto:eco,w_800/https://inews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/SSSSSSS.jpg

Magid Magid, new mayor of Sheffield and the first Green mayor, deserves to be itt

ogmor, Friday, 18 May 2018 08:12 (five years ago) link

omg

imago, Friday, 18 May 2018 08:14 (five years ago) link

deserves to be iatt

imago, Friday, 18 May 2018 08:14 (five years ago) link

so nice they named him twice, what a hero

think he was the same guy that was on 'hunted' if anyone else watched that

chant down basildon (NickB), Friday, 18 May 2018 08:44 (five years ago) link

wow

Frederik B, Friday, 18 May 2018 08:50 (five years ago) link

i... think i love this guy?

A former refugee who has taken over as Sheffield's Lord Mayor says he hopes to bring the role "into the 21st Century".

Magid Magid, is the city's first Somali mayor, first Green Party mayor, and, at 28, the youngest mayor.

He came to Sheffield aged five after six months in an Ethiopian refugee camp with his mother and five siblings who left Somalia "to find a better life".

"Just me being in the post brings an element of difference to the role," he said.

More stories from across Yorkshire

He added: "I hope it will help engage those that have not previously engaged before."

But his story is not a case of a privileged upbringing helping to open doors but of determination, ambition - and a love of climbing mountains.

Born in Burao in war-torn northern Somalia, Mr Magid said he did not remember much of his childhood and had never returned to his country of birth.

"I remember just being happy, playing around as you do as a kid, but in reality it was a completely different story," he said.

His family set up home in Sheffield's Burngreave area.

He said life was difficult when he and his family arrived, trying to learn the language and adapt to a new way of life.

His mother worked as a cleaner to look after her children, with Magid and his siblings acting as translators.

He went to Fir Vale School where he said he was "just like your average child".

By the time he was 17 he said his "massive fascination with mountains" had emerged.

"I really wanted to climb the seven summits, so I worked 12-hour shifts every day for nine weeks and paid to go on a mountaineering course in the Swiss Alps.

"When I was 19 I wanted to climb Kilimanjaro, so I packed what I needed, went to the local town and found someone to climb it with me.

"I guess that's how I like to do things. I like to look for solutions to barriers, and being courageous and brave is part of being able to do that."

From mountain tops to the bottoms of the ocean, Magid went on to study aquatic zoology at the University of Hull.

"I just really wanted to go to university," he said.

"You are taking yourself out of your comfort zone and where else would you meet so many people from different parts of the world and experience such different things in one place. That's what I wanted."

He said he developed an interest in politics while at university and was elected as president of the students' union,

He admits he was not "politically savvy" adding he "had no idea between the left and the right but I knew I cared about certain issues".

In 2014 he delved further into politics, becoming a regular viewer of the BBC's Daily Politics show, "I used to think, 'who actually watched this?'" he said, "but there I was".

Despite friends and family largely supporting Labour, he said he found the Green Party better represented his views and in 2016 he was elected as Green councillor for Broomhill and Sharrow Vale.

Cannot get enough of Sheffield’s new Lord Mayor, Magid Magid pic.twitter.com/35SuoD2eIJ

— Camilla Long (@camillalong) May 17, 2018

chant down basildon (NickB), Friday, 18 May 2018 09:11 (five years ago) link

there's some sort of gammon meltdown on twitter after Breitbart said he said he wouldn't raise a toast to the Queen (don't know where the quote came from, not clicking on Breitbart to find out)

it's glorious

xp ok that was unexpected

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 18 May 2018 09:14 (five years ago) link

in case I was unclear I also think I love him (based on approximately 0 information except for the BBC article in bg's post, or if that's not the BBC article then the BBC article is basically the same sentences in a different order)

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 18 May 2018 09:16 (five years ago) link

"he became the first mayor to swear during his inauguration"

nxd, Friday, 18 May 2018 09:28 (five years ago) link

The photo ogmor posted needs to go in the "People who have figured out how to live" thread, such a great shot.

brain (krakow), Friday, 18 May 2018 10:21 (five years ago) link

I mean, the second one doesn't not belong there either.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 18 May 2018 10:39 (five years ago) link

now dreading the nigh-inevitable reveal that magid is in fact a craven centrist shithead

wtf is wrong with you

imago, Friday, 18 May 2018 10:53 (five years ago) link

Just wanna enjoy the news that the Torygraph lost nearly a FIFTH of its readers over the last year apparently.

nashwan, Friday, 18 May 2018 10:55 (five years ago) link

High death rate among the over 90s tbf.

Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Friday, 18 May 2018 11:19 (five years ago) link

wtf is wrong with you

look, i've been burned before, i can't tear open my heart solely based on some baller portraits and a piece on bbc news

17 years and counting of uk involvement in afghanistan - probably a good time to start sending some more of our brave boys to sort this out once and for all eh

The UK government is considering doubling the number of troops deployed in Afghanistan in response to a request from Donald Trump for reinforcements in the face of increasing gains by the Taliban.

Britain has about 600 troops in Afghanistan at present, mainly based in Kabul training officers and not engaged in combat. There is also a small contingent of special forces.

The new deployment could see hundreds more return to Afghanistan. The UK withdrew almost all of its combat troops from the country in 2014.

Faced with a Taliban resurgence, the US, which has about 15,000 troops in the country supporting the Afghan military, asked the UK and other Nato countries last summer to send reinforcements. Britain responded with an extra 85.

Later in the year, Trump renewed the plea and the proposed new UK deployment is in response to that request by the US president. The hundreds more British troops are expected to be involved in training rather than combat.

Fixed in a trenchant fashion

17179+ years and counting of uk involvement in afghanistan

Neil S, Friday, 18 May 2018 12:11 (five years ago) link

fair

send harry and a regiment of our finest gammon

chant down basildon (NickB), Friday, 18 May 2018 12:15 (five years ago) link

it's true that sending pork products to afghanistan seems a little... culturally insensitive, at the very least


The website, created with the high-end estate agent consultancy Knight Frank and the architects Ryder Architecture, tells potential builders they do not need to worry about affordable housing lowering the tone of the development as the legally required affordable units can be housed in a separate development on the main hospital site.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/18/royal-free-secretly-planning-to-develop-100-year-old-hospital-into-luxury-flats

Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 18 May 2018 12:53 (five years ago) link

we are surely only months away from the first 'affordable housing' development being housed underground so the eloi don't have to sully themselves by looking upon the morlocks


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