MENA, MENA, Tekel, Parsin (Middle East, North Africa & other Geopolitical Hotspots) 2018

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There's somewhere there hasn't there been war and conflict for thousands of years?

Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link

^ Yeah, was gonna say, that's everywhere!

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link

exactly!

xpoat No, i know. Obviously there was no israeli-palestinian conflict before there was an Israel. But forget for the moment the implication that the only way to end the conflict is to have no Israel again, that whole region has been a muddle of shifting occupation for centuries.

Anyway, not going to solve anything here, I'm going to Costco.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link

LOL. If only it was as simple as going to Costco.

Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 15:25 (five years ago) link

Have you ever been to Costco!?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link

the other thing is that the "thousands of years" trope, and/or the "it's always been shifting around, over there in that region" trope, implicitly adopts the zionist framework, where what's at stake is an ethnic-religious right to an ancient, immutable homeland, and that homeland's boundaries are exactly coterminous with the recognized boundaries of israel plus the territories occupied since 1967. what a coincidence! again, that's the metanarrative favored by a certain ideology and certain forces which have been dominant for a long time in israeli political culture and essentially since day one in israeli military culture (but certainly since ariel sharon's rise through the ranks).

but for palestinians displaced from their homes or living under occupation, the issue isn't necessarily a religious one at all (though certainly for many it can and has come to seem that way) and certainly not a thousands-of-years one. this is something that started happening to their parents or grandparents and continues to happen to them in the present day. for non-zionist jewish israeli citizens, it can also be something other than thousands-of-years: they, personally, were born there, this is the only home they've known, etc. these are difficult things to reconcile. it's implausible that a solution would leave every person completely satisfied. but we can confront that without throwing our hands up and declaring it's impossible to reconcile and that no solution is possible because man, they've always been fighting over there. the only actors who really need that to be true are extremist factions in israel and in palestine. when those extremists are in power it would be really helpful for the american government, as israel's most crucial supporter, to recognize these distinctions, but it all tends to get washed together and the U.S. media effectively cover for this by falling back on the thousand-year framework.

noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 15:36 (five years ago) link

fuck

WATCH: "This is me being a moralist" - @esglaude, on Gaza #MTPDaily pic.twitter.com/VwYvY3fZVb

— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) May 14, 2018

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 May 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link

the shocked silence after he said that - that was gripping. i guess he felt the need to fill the space with something, but he didn't need to apologize for what he said.

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link

Nikki Haley just did her theatrical walk out when the Palestinian envoy to the UN started to speak.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link

god she blows

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 17:35 (five years ago) link

Hamas can turn anything into a weapon of terror. pic.twitter.com/7v8RmGfN4o

— IDF (@IDFSpokesperson) May 15, 2018

mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 17:41 (five years ago) link

ROPE TIED TO FENCE

Just allow them to have the same weapons you have and they wouldn't need to be this 'inventive'. Level playing field an' all.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link

worst game of Clue ever

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 06:54 (five years ago) link

A Canadian doctor in Gaza who was recently shot is active on Reddit and talking about the protests, the occupation, treating bullet wounds, and a lot more

https://www.reddit.com/user/_tarek_/comments/

Simon H., Wednesday, 16 May 2018 13:50 (five years ago) link

in terms of preventing regional conflagration

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 29 May 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44358039

IMF encouraged austerity measures result in poor and middle class protests in Jordan and the Prime Minister resigning

Mr Mulki had refused to scrap the bill, saying it was up to parliament to decide whether to pass it or not.

His government said it needed the money to fund public services and said the new tax bill would mean higher earners pay more.

But protesters feared it would further worsen living standards. In recent years, Jordanians have seen prices rise with salaries failing to keep up.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:51 (five years ago) link

Jordan's economy has struggled to grow in the past few years in the face of chronic deficits, as private foreign investment and aid has declined.

In 2016, Jordan secured a $723m, three-year credit line from the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Since then, austerity measures agreed with the IMF have caused the price of basic goods and services to rise steadily.

Last Wednesday, demonstrations began when thousands held strike action against proposed income tax rises at a time when ordinary Jordanians were already struggling with inflation.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/all-you-need-know-about-protests-jordan-1605243591

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link

Meanwhile in Yemen:

sources have said that the Trump administration is considering giving direct support to seize the country’s main port for humanitarian aid.

First reported by the Wall Street Journal, the move would expand U.S. involvement in the brutal civil war that has been raging since 2014.

The United Arab Emirates has asked the U.S. to assist the Saudi-led coalition to retake Hodeidah.

U.S. officials told the Journal that the coalition will not act without U.S. support. But a high-ranking official told the newspaper that the administration has a “lot of concerns about a Hodeidah operation.”

“We are not 100 percent comfortable that, even if the coalition did launch an attack, that they would be able to do it cleanly and avoid a catastrophic incident,” the official said.

Administration officials are expected to meet today to discuss next steps, according to the Journal.

Experts have called the ongoing war the world’s “largest humanitarian crisis,” with millions facing starvation, lack of access to clean water and a cholera outbreak that likely involves more than 1 million people.

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2018/06/04/report-trump-mulling-direct-us-military-action-to-take-yemen-port/

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:02 (five years ago) link

IMF tax plan being contemplated by Jordan legislature protests continue in Jordan despite Prime Minister resigning. King Abdullah weighs in:

Education minister and former World Bank economist Omar al-Razzaz has replaced former Prime Minister Hani Mulki, who resigned on Monday.

The protests in Jordan, a key Western ally, are the biggest in years.

Demonstrators say a new tax bill backed by the International Monetary Fund will hurt the poor and middle class.

The former PM had refused to scrap the proposals, which include higher taxes and more austerity measures.

In the letter appointing Mr Razzaz to form a new government on Tuesday, King Abdullah said that the cabinet "must carry out a comprehensive review of the tax system" to avoid "unjust taxes that do not achieve justice and balance between the incomes of the poor and the rich".

The previous evening, the monarch warned that Jordan risked entering "the unknown" if it failed to find a way out of the current crisis, Jordan's Petra news agency reported.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44375827

curmudgeon, Thursday, 7 June 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link

IMF clearly being shown the blowback to austerity is the rise of right wing populist fascists and they keep going about their business

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 7 June 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link

Fela once said a long time ago that IMF stands for International Mother F’ers and nothing seems to have changed since

curmudgeon, Friday, 8 June 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link

Long New Yorker article on Israel/US relationship and how it has changed over the years from President 44 to 45(plus lots of details re Abbas, Bibi, and more) looks like an interesting read (just skimmed it) even if it will most likely just confirm bottom lines we already know

curmudgeon, Monday, 11 June 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link

Turkish election tomorrow!

Genuinely in the balance for the first time in ages.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 23 June 2018 09:33 (five years ago) link

I can't imagine Erdogan being allowed to lose.

womp womp that sucker (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 June 2018 11:19 (five years ago) link

the leader of the center-left opposition is called (most likely not going to be nicknamed The Guv'nor by colleagues) Muharrem Ince.

calzino, Saturday, 23 June 2018 11:31 (five years ago) link

It’s not officially a Turkish election until this happens:

https://s15.postimg.cc/liohskcob/C7942_ADD-2_C01-4751-_AC15-86_E506_F048_CB.jpg

Not sure Erdogan is going to get the 50% he needs to avoid a run-off with Ince. There will be a huge mobilisation against him if it’s head-to-head.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 24 June 2018 09:22 (five years ago) link

Nusret Gökçe, globally known as “Salt Bae” for his meat-cutting and salt-drizzling skills..

you can see by how he votes that he's erm ... got some skills.

Turkey’s Supreme Election Council (YSK) has announced that it will look into complaints regarding election safety issues in the Suruç district of the southeastern province of Şanlıurfa following claims of vote-rigging.

The main opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP) earlier on June 24 appealed to the YSK, asking the election body to take action following allegations regarding voting irregularities and other allegations that some election observers were not allowed to do their jobs and they were even attacked at balloting stations in Suruç and some other districts of Şanlıurfa, daily Cumhuriyet has reported.

calzino, Sunday, 24 June 2018 11:00 (five years ago) link

Anadolu News Agency says that Erdogan has 53% with 89%of votes counted. Has been ticking down closer to 50 the more votes are counted.

Ince reckons they’ve actually only counted 40% so don’t expect him to concede.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 24 June 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link

The map tells the story.

Latest results in presidential vote in #TurkeyElections as of 9.30 pm:

Boxes opened: 89%

Erdogan: 53.4%
Ince: 30.3%
Demirtas: 7.6%
Aksener: 7.4%
Karamollaoglu: 0.9%
Perincek: 0.2%

Find more at https://t.co/EcC7DcnkdK and https://t.co/pCgJ7oPKXj#Secim2018 pic.twitter.com/32YJo1Wbpn

— ANADOLU AGENCY (ENG) (@anadoluagency) June 24, 2018

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 24 June 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link

Has been ticking down closer to 50 the more votes are counted.

It is said that where there's a will, there's a way. I am sure Erdogan will find a way to win. Or else appear to. Either way works for his purposes.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 24 June 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link

It has been glitchy all night, but it looks like the opposition's own vote tally is going to show an Erdoğan first round victory. pic.twitter.com/HnshQVRJGz

— Ankaralı Jan (@06JAnk) June 24, 2018

Looks more or less a done deal on a first round victory.

The good news is that the Kurdish party got over the 10% required for parliamentary representation in the other ballot.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 24 June 2018 21:00 (five years ago) link

Why did anyone ever think it could turn out any different?

womp womp that sucker (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 June 2018 21:12 (five years ago) link

I trebled it with Putin's election victory and Celtic winning the title and made a penny!

calzino, Sunday, 24 June 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link

The election may have some irregularities but isn’t exactly 100% rigged and there was a sense of urgency, at least in Istanbul and Ankara, that went along with the idea that this could end up being the most important election in Turkey’s history (or if you’re more pessimistic, the last election in Turkey’s history) to drive turnout.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 24 June 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link

Celtic far less of a surefire bet than Putin or Erdogan tbh.

womp womp that sucker (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 June 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link

What is that red dot to the east?

Frederik B, Sunday, 24 June 2018 21:58 (five years ago) link

Tunceli, where Erdogan got 18%

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 24 June 2018 22:07 (five years ago) link

Interesting. Will check up on the story of that.

Frederik B, Sunday, 24 June 2018 23:23 (five years ago) link

Kurds.

womp womp that sucker (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 June 2018 23:32 (five years ago) link

But not Kurds who voted for the main Kurdish party - there’s a subset called the Alevi I don’t know much about who live there.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 25 June 2018 05:11 (five years ago) link

Will Assad really agree not to have Iran or other militias in areas near Israel he is currently recapturing (via his usual brutality)? See article below

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-assad-to-retake-southwest-syria-israel-to-decide-whether-to-intervene-1.6217834

The Syrian civil war is apparently entering a new phase. After having scored numerous military successes over the last two years, the Assad regime, with Russian air support, is preparing to retake the country’s southwest. This is an area with symbolic importance (the uprising against Syrian President Bashar Assad began in Daraa in 2011), but also practical importance, since it abuts both Jordan and Israel.

...Israel wants stability on its border. It has also frequently denounced the Assad regime for slaughtering its own citizens and using chemical weapons. But would it necessarily oppose the Syrian Army’s return to its border in the Golan Heights, if the Iranians were removed from the area at the same time?

In recent years, Israel has given food, clothing and medicine to residents of Sunni Syrian villages near its border. Thousands of Syrians have also entered Israel for medical treatment. Western media reports say Israel has also given rebel militias in those areas arms and ammunition as well. Israel denies this, but recently those denials have sounded less forceful than in the past.

Along with fighting the rebels, the Assad regime has mercilessly slaughtered residents of towns under their control. In many cases, it battered besieged towns with air strikes and artillery until they surrendered.

Thus Israel’s leadership will soon face a dilemma. In internal discussions, some defense officials, including officers in the army’s Northern Command, have said Israel has a humanitarian obligation to residents of these border villages.

Nevertheless, it’s hard to imagine that the public would support risking Israeli soldiers’ lives to save Arab citizens of an enemy country. It’s more likely that Israel won’t intervene directly in the fighting, but will try to make the regime’s return to the border region contingent on an agreement to remove Iranian forces and the Shi’ite militias from it.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 28 June 2018 14:06 (five years ago) link

Deraa has been completely burnt to the ground," Jihad al-Ali, a 26-year-old paramedic in Deraa told Al Jazeera as he described the effect of the ongoing attacks since Wednesday evening.

Syrian government forces launched the military push on June 19 in an attempt to retake the southern provinces of Deraa, Quneitra and parts of Sweida, mostly held by opposition fighters.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/syria-war-deraa-burnt-ground-180628095132419.html

curmudgeon, Thursday, 28 June 2018 14:08 (five years ago) link

The whole 'thousands of years of conflict' thing re Israel and Palestine is something I've probably screeched myself on here at some point but also a framework we really need to work against no

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 30 June 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link

It nicely absolves the British, Ottoman and Russian empires for their behaviour in the 20th century for one thing and sticks all the blame on those inherently-violent Jews and Arabs

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 30 June 2018 22:23 (five years ago) link

Müslüm Gündüz, the head sheikh of the hardline Aczmendi sect, told the Islamist TV channel Akit TV that those inspired by the founder of the Turkish republic should be forced out of the country, left-wing news site Gazete Tamam said .

“We know the Kemalists well and they know us well. Either they will leave this country or we will. While we are around, the Kemalists cannot be at ease,” Gündüz said.

“Kemalism is against human nature. It is against human morality. It is a system to force Anatolian people to be immoral.”

Kemalism, an ideology named after founding president of Turkey Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, has been a major secular force in Turkish politics since that time.

But the ideology made people into anarchists and terrorists, Gündüz said.

The Kemalist opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP) was a “religious movement” trying to compete with Islam, he added.

ogmor, Thursday, 5 July 2018 13:26 (five years ago) link

Basically calling for a purge of secularists?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 5 July 2018 13:49 (five years ago) link

He has been saying the same thing since 1996.

I wouldn't bet he has more followers than the average Turkish high school has pictures of Ataturk, tbh.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link

let's hope so. I've not heard much good news coming out of turkey

ogmor, Thursday, 5 July 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/israeli-saudi-and-emirati-officials-privately-pushed-for-trump-to-strike-a-grand-bargain-with-putin

During a private meeting shortly before the November, 2016, election, Mohammed bin Zayed, the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, floated to a longtime American interlocutor what sounded, at the time, like an unlikely grand bargain. The Emirati leader told the American that Vladimir Putin, the Russian President, might be interested in resolving the conflict in Syria in exchange for the lifting of sanctions imposed in response to Russia’s actions in Ukraine.

Current and former U.S. officials said that bin Zayed, known as M.B.Z., was not the only leader in the region who favored rapprochement between the former Cold War adversaries. While America’s closest allies in Europe viewed with a sense of dread Trump’s interest in partnering with Putin, three countries that enjoyed unparallelled influence with the incoming Administration—Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the U.A.E.—privately embraced the goal. Officials from the three countries have repeatedly encouraged their American counterparts to consider ending the Ukraine-related sanctions in return for Putin’s help in removing Iranian forces from Syria.

Experts say that such a deal would be unworkable, even if Trump were interested. They say Putin has neither the interest nor the ability to pressure Iranian forces to leave Syria. Administration officials have said that Syria and Ukraine will be among the topics that Trump and Putin will discuss at their summit in Helsinki on July 16th. White House officials did not respond to a request for comment.

curmudgeon, Friday, 13 July 2018 04:33 (five years ago) link


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