Ralph is saying he's really good at sleep
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:32 (five years ago) link
we've discussed this in the "The Dress" thread. it's "laurel" but because of the poor fidelity of the recording there are sonic artifacts that make it sound like "yanny" on speakers that don't have any low end (eg laptop speakers, cell phones)
― cr.ht (crüt), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link
Okay, so a coworker just played it on his phone and I finally heard "Yanny".
Fwiw, I was playing it on my phone last night and only heard "Laurel".
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link
The viral hype and "OMG it will blow your tiny mind" reactions from this & the dress thing are both annoying, but the actual stuff on perception that they get people talking about is interesting, so I'm not going to jump on the Tombot 'fuck this trash' train, sorry.
Personally I found it really easy to modulate between the two, the bass and the high pitch seemed quite separate. I heard the higher pitched 'yanny' first, but I'm listening on laptop speakers which probably don't have that great bass production.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:45 (five years ago) link
The first time it played happened to coincide with a door slamming shut and it sounded like "Yanny". Then it looped and from the 2nd time round on it was clearly Laurel.
I tried rattling my headphone lead to generate some low-ish frequency masking noise like the door noise but still Laurel.
― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:50 (five years ago) link
Indisputably Yanny on my wife's iphone - and indisputably Laurel on my laptop. Interesting. Like night and day.
― it's a leaf that the nomads chew (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
if its just a question of what speakers you hear it out of then its kinda dumb.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:52 (five years ago) link
I don't know if it is though, I played it on my iPhone and my Bose sound bar last night and indisputably heard "Laurel" every single time. Couldn't even fathom the "Yanny" until I heard it coming out of a coworker's Galaxy this morning. Went back to my phone, and now I hear "Yanny" there too, though slightly more garbled and less clearly.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
I've already returned my keys to the studio so can't listen on JBL studio monitors but it sounded closer to "yanny" on ATH-M30 headphones through a Focusrite Saffire interface, which is not world-beating but I think OK for lower frequencies. Certainly not the equivalent of a cell phone or laptop's built-in speakers. The "n"s aren't really "n"s, though. xp
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
I hear Laurel on my terrible chromebook speakers.
I also have massive hearing damage from years of concertgoing so idk if that makes me unable to hear the higher frequency or what
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
pulling rank as someone who writes professionally about sounds: the correct answer is Laurel
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link
I haven't tried filtering the file yet but I honestly can't even see how people hear "Laurel", to the point where I'm beginning to doubt my aural skills.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
Yanny.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
xp are you listening on headphones?
― cr.ht (crüt), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
(more than I already doubt them on a daily basis)2xp Right now, yes, but I also tried on mediocre speakers. I haven't downloaded the original audio file you linked, though.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:01 (five years ago) link
I've heard it both ways from the same source, over the same headphones, over a period of hours. Definitely "Yanny" (and a kind of nasal, upper-mid buzz to it) and then later definitely "Laurel" (sounding a little fuller). And now "Yanny" again.
I could almost believe there was some random-switching shenanigans going on with the links except that I downloaded the "original" MP3 to my desktop and that's gone Y>L>Y over the same period. It's kinda fascinating.
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:03 (five years ago) link
the actual stuff on perception that they get people talking about is interesting
it was for the dress, kinda, but this is about digital speech synthesis, vocoding and recording artifacts more than it is about perception imo - and that's what I find not interesting at all in fact the exact opposite, anti-interesting, if interesting had a mustache and was chaotic evil aaaaaaarrrrrrrrgh.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:07 (five years ago) link
yeah, and two people listening with the same speakers will hear two different things. so its not just the speakers...
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:08 (five years ago) link
same experience as michael jones
― 龜, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:09 (five years ago) link
The recording that crüt linked on the other thread definitely sounds like "Laurel". If this was text-to-speech synthesis as Tombot says, that would explain it. I don't hear actual "l" sounds in the file that we are asked to vote on. xps
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
I do hear a lot of lower-mid muddiness/resonance and noise and I can totally hear the ghost of 'Laurel' in there but I still feel like I'm doing the work to fill it in.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:15 (five years ago) link
I predict that Yanny will be the hot new baby name of 2018
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:16 (five years ago) link
so psyched about this forthcoming Yanni/Laurel Halo collab
― the yolk sustains us, we eat whites for days (unregistered), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:18 (five years ago) link
*the
― the yolk sustains us, we eat whites for days (unregistered), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:19 (five years ago) link
it was for the dress, kinda, but this is about digital speech synthesis, vocoding and recording artifacts more than it is about perception imo
the dress thing was about the color temperature & brightness settings that people had on their monitors so it's really not that interesting by this metric!
― cr.ht (crüt), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
I thought it was also about the way some people perceived the overall "color temperature" / gamma of the photograph itself which was backlit by glaring sun
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link
But surely it is about perception? I've played exactly the same clip at the same level over the same headphones and heard it go Y>L>Y>L>Y. And when I hear Y I cannot conceive of it sounding like L, and vice versa.
For someone who has spent a fair amount of his professional life trying to decipher what people are saying for the purposes of transcription, this is at least faintly interesting. Usually I associate the challenges with decoding speech with isolating the audio and trying to avoid contextual cues; here's an example of something in isolation, with no contextual cues, and it keeps flipping on me.
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link
ok fine it's interesting
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:25 (five years ago) link
i hear Laurel.
the real mystery is why the fuck anyone would ever say "Yanny"
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:27 (five years ago) link
So I said this elsewhere but I usually keep the volume down when I listen on headphones because even mild hearing loss or tinnitus terrify me. I just turned up the volume to about 5 on my interface and now I hear "Laurel" clear as day.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:27 (five years ago) link
― El Tomboto
I still find this very interesting! I've been very very slowly entering into the world of (lo-fi) mixing/production over the last few years and this stuff is a good entry-level example of how things can sound very different with only slight outside changes. Also I love auditory illusion shit like Shepard tones etc. I'm not necessarily saying YOU should find it interesting, I just it's unfair to dismiss it all as 'trash'.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link
*I just think
― emil.y, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
Yeah, Tombot is describing a phenomenon that is fascinating and crucial to me and then saying it's the opposite of interesting. (The explanation that it's a lo-fi recording is more believable to me than the explanation that it's text-to-speech synthesis, though.)
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:30 (five years ago) link
i think it's probably a little bit of both; i didn't even consider that it was text-to-speech which shows you how untrained my ear is!
― cr.ht (crüt), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
All I know is my social media is suddenly a lot more disconcerting.
― which do u hear yanny or (in orbit), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link
I guess what is changing is the ambient noise level around me (open-plan office), and I have no control over that. So maybe that's having an effect. Back to Laurel for now!
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link
I turned my speakers up and now I hear "Laurel" on those too.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
Listened on headphones, heard "Laurel" clear as day, wondered why this was even a question.
Listened on computer speakers, hear "Yanny" clear as day, wondered why this was even a question.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link
the text-to-speech aspect is where I think the high pitch comes from, which is inaudible in the original file and original sample rate, but when downsampled it drops into audible range and subsumes the "dark l" under this upper midrange "eea" sound
humans do not make secret >22khz noises when they pronounce velarized alveolar lateral approximants, at least as far as I understand things
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link
in the car : yanny.on laptop just now : laurel
― mark e, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link
my favorite tts artifact was when Microsoft Sam made a weird whooshing sound when you tried to make it say 'soy'
haven't tried it in ages but i assume it s been fixed by now
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link
There's also an element of this that is about perception, though. Once I heard "Laurel", I could still hear it that way even when I turned the volume down again.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link
where is option ‘hen fap’
― martin short's interiors (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link
Played this in OUTER SPACE where everyone could hear Yanny.
https://www.nerdreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/23569786-Case-closed-grunge-red-stamp-Stock-Photo.jpg
― burzum buddies (brownie), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
I'm still baffled that people cannot hear Laurel, when it sounds completely clear and like a normal voice saying that name. Meanwhile Yanny just sounds like some kind of faint whispering that could easily be just noise or random sound artifacts that vaguely resemble speech.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
Yeah, like a weird noise your brain makes up when you're falling asleep.
― how's life, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link
i know it's cool not to care about this, but i do get worried that i cannot make it into "yanny" or conceive of making it into a "yanny." i sorta just wanna loop it and listen til if finally yann-ify it.
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:35 (five years ago) link
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, May 16, 2018 9:16 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok lol
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
The experience of Tarfumes is close to mine.
To do a serious analysis one would also need to cross-reference every respondent with age and listening environment.
Like, there are those frequency things only audible to certain age ranges like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mosquito
― it's a leaf that the nomads chew (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
Put on some bass-y music and then listen to it again?
― chant down basildon (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
^^
― DJI, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link
I'm Laurel all the way; even far left on the NYT slider sounds more like "yrrlrrl" than "yanny"
― chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 20:34 (five years ago) link
sounds like "FREMME NEPPA VENETTE" to me
― akm, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:25 (five years ago) link
callback is pretty PRO imo
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link
I'm hearing "Yearly" on the NYT slider.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:36 (five years ago) link
Big fan of these audio illusions. If you want more, hunt down the first of these two Diana Deutsch CDs and hopefully she's having a field day today
http://philomel.com/index.php
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 17 May 2018 05:10 (five years ago) link
I'm not convinced it has anything to do with the frequency as my brain keeps swapping between both words.
It reminds me of when you're listening to a familiar song and your brain latches onto the beat a couple of microseconds too late, so they whole song sounds out of synch and unfamiliar. It seems like this word is the same. What you hear depends on where your brain tells you the word begins.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 May 2018 10:13 (five years ago) link
Andrew W.K. jumps in to the debate...
Party in the comments... pic.twitter.com/ikktBcIEh1— ANDREW W.K. (@AndrewWK) May 17, 2018
― brain (krakow), Thursday, 17 May 2018 10:31 (five years ago) link
Darkest fucking timeline pic.twitter.com/VhPv7rl9Wo— Gabriella Paiella (@GMPaiella) May 17, 2018
― 龜, Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:10 (five years ago) link
fucking hell
― chant down basildon (NickB), Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:20 (five years ago) link
was thinking that i could see the military using this sort of word-morphing technique as part of an interrogation
― chant down basildon (NickB), Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:21 (five years ago) link
Is it sex or is it weight lifting?
― Here Come the Warm Jets: A Beginner's Guide to Watersports (Old Lunch), Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:22 (five years ago) link
ok that air force tweet is the worst thing ever and disgusting but also it made me think of thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfxNEe0jUns
― challops trap house (Will M.), Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:41 (five years ago) link
http://reductress.com/post/man-calls-girlfriend-yanny-during-sex-swears-he-said-laurel/
― sleeve, Thursday, 17 May 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
Even more mind-bending:
Alright ya’ll thought that Yanny/Laurel Thing was crazy, try this on for size. pic.twitter.com/OqLVjVysuk— tom (@Thomasevsmith) May 17, 2018
― brain (krakow), Thursday, 17 May 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link
Also: green storm & brain needle
― StanM, Thursday, 17 May 2018 22:40 (five years ago) link
yeah i saw the Old Lady/Young Lady optical illusion when i was 10, it was interesting for about 5 minutes.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 17 May 2018 22:47 (five years ago) link
Stop messing with my fragile mind!!!
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 17 May 2018 23:08 (five years ago) link
yessss
#Laurel? #Yanny? Or... pic.twitter.com/5hth07SdGY— The White House (@WhiteHouse) May 17, 2018
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 17 May 2018 23:28 (five years ago) link
I was just wondering the other day when somebody was going to get around to using the whimsical 'ukes and handclaps' cute animal video music in a sinister context.
― Here Come the Warm Jets: A Beginner's Guide to Watersports (Old Lunch), Friday, 18 May 2018 00:33 (five years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, May 16, 2018 11:25 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I love this
― DACA Flocka Flame (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 18 May 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link
saw the white house video about this and wanted to jump into the mississippi. but i just muted the terms on twitter instead
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 18 May 2018 03:06 (five years ago) link
on my computer "Yanny" or actually "Yammi" whether through internal speakers or good headphones. Nothing at all like "Laurel"
― Lee626, Friday, 18 May 2018 04:12 (five years ago) link
that whitehouse video almost makes me believe that this whole thing was manufactured to divert attention away from gaza. at the very least, it's got me questioning why trump is appearing in a comedy sketch when he should be focusing on a crisis that his actions stoked the coals of
― chant down basildon (NickB), Friday, 18 May 2018 08:41 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/jb9ikhW.jpg
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 18 May 2018 15:39 (five years ago) link
My kids just introduced me to the gif of electricity pylons playing jump-rope. Which is silent. But some "hear" a thud each time the pylon hits the ground.
― Michael Jones, Friday, 18 May 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link
this is what gets me to leave ilx. thanks
― In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Friday, 18 May 2018 21:24 (five years ago) link
I don't get why this stuff makes so many people IA. It's harmless and easily ignored.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 18 May 2018 21:30 (five years ago) link
I thought a lot about why it made me so mad and I think it’s because I’ve spent too much time playing speech samples through filters so I’m really inured to the phenomenon in question - I can actually do a really good “beatbox” of it unplugged - so when everyone was like “wow I can hear both” my jaded mind couldn’t help itself. OF COURSE YOU FUCKING CAN IT’S JUST ABOUT WHICH FREQUENCIES ARE EMPHASIZED AND HOW BRAINS WORK, GAAAWWWWD.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:57 (five years ago) link
Blame Korg
(also probably the name of some character in the wookieepedia)
― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Saturday, 19 May 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
Fuck you
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 May 2018 04:42 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Sunday, 20 May 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
Good comeback, System.
― Now I know my ABCs. Next time won't you scream at me? (Old Lunch), Sunday, 20 May 2018 00:08 (five years ago) link
Lulz
― an alfred hitchcock joint (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 20 May 2018 10:33 (five years ago) link
Blame Korg― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:57 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink(also probably the name of some character in the wookieepedia)― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:58 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:57 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:58 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he's in thor: ragnarok actually
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic4.uk.businessinsider.com%2Fimage%2F59fc89555b026004411baabb-1190-625%2Fhow-this-lesser-known-marvel-character-became-a-scene-stealer-in-thor-ragnarok.jpg&f=1
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 20 May 2018 11:20 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.― System, Friday, May 18, 2018 8:01 PM Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkFuck you― El Tomboto, Saturday, May 19, 2018 12:42 AM Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkAutomatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.― System, Saturday, May 19, 2018 8:01 PM Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkGood comeback, System.― Now I know my ABCs. Next time won't you scream at me? (Old Lunch), Saturday, May 19, 2018 8:08 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 November 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link
not again :-/
"yes, that sounds like an excellent idea/yes, that's a f*cking excellent idea"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dQAlywMvCQ
― StanM, Saturday, 29 December 2018 12:56 (five years ago) link
I like that one since I can easily hear either option.
― DJI, Saturday, 29 December 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
I hear "guinea pig".
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 29 December 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
I unapologetically love this stupid stuff
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 29 December 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
lol it's whichever you want to hear
― rip van wanko, Saturday, 29 December 2018 21:03 (five years ago) link