it's a great, silly film
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link
given the obvious sf tilt of that list, weird that neither Joanna Russ or Kate Wilhelm is on it
it kinda reads like they made a quick pass by the remaindered table before putting it together. not meant qualitatively, just as a matter of exposure
some very good writers, more I’m curious to check out, not many I’d go to for boner rage
― attica attica (sciatica), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
often I am in the library saying to myself "now what can I read that will satisfy my appetite for boner rage"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
that's why they revoked my library card :(
― Number None, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 22:07 (five years ago) link
4 3 mos in '65 I thought I was dating #PhillipRoth. That's the name the man who became my 1st lover gave me. & as in Goodbye, Columbus, I went 2 Margaret Sanger 4 birth control. Imagine my surprise when I saw the real Roth's pic & it wasn't the man I was dating. RIP Phillip Roth— Adrienne Barbeau (@abarbeau) May 23, 2018
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 23:28 (five years ago) link
exquisite
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 23:35 (five years ago) link
I think Roth was the first great quintessentially immigrant american novelist.
― carles danger maus (s.clover), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link
lipsytes nyt opinion article is good imo
Mr. Roth’s body of work is one 20th-century American man’s hole. There are many similar divots and ditches in the literary landscape, but we’ll keep peering into Mr. Roth’s because so few have dug and illuminated with such verve, wit, fearlessness and emotional acuity.
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 24 May 2018 02:07 (five years ago) link
dug into the verve, wit, fearlessness, and emotional acuity of his hole.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 May 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link
I liked the Zadie Smith piece about Roth in the New Yorker.
"At an unusually tender age, he learned not to write to make people think well of him, nor to display to others, through fiction, the right sort of ideas, so they could think him the right sort of person. “Literature isn’t a moral beauty contest,” he once said. "
― triggercut, Thursday, 24 May 2018 07:11 (five years ago) link
He was the best. RIP.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 24 May 2018 07:21 (five years ago) link
Oh all he revealed was old (post I never finished, seems relevant)
― albvivertine, Thursday, 24 May 2018 10:03 (five years ago) link
I assembled my own where-do-I-start list.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 May 2018 13:38 (five years ago) link
I have not read The Ghost Writer, but I remember seeing this PBS adaptation starring Mark Linn-Baker as Zuckerman.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087331/fullcredits/
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 May 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
dang I thought the 2010 Polanski movie was a Roth adaptation. great movie though.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 24 May 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link
John Barth!It’s in either a novel or an essay of barth’s where he raises the question of why rape or attempted rape is so disturbingly common in his (comic) fiction and then basically just says “it’s a good question! but there isn’t time to address it here” 😐I have never read Philip Roth but I bought a paperback copy of the breast the other week so I think I’ll read that next
― Elonio Grimesci (wins), Thursday, 24 May 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
Promising title
― albvivertine, Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
It’s about a guy who turns into a breast
― Elonio Grimesci (wins), Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link
Promising premise (sorry just being a dick now. Would kinda like to read a novel about how awesome boobs are with no resort to metaphor etc tho)
― albvivertine, Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link
The breast is great and very funny, actually. It’s a riff on The Metamorphosis, obviously.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 25 May 2018 06:19 (five years ago) link
Good list, btw, Alfred. I also love Nemesis, which totally devastated me when I read it a few months ago.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 25 May 2018 06:21 (five years ago) link
Promising premise (sorry just being a dick now.
homage
rip. have read him less than bellow or mailer, more than updike or any of the forbidding postmodernists (except goofy t.p.)
w zuckerman he handled fictionalized autobiography (+ probably sex politics) much less exasperatingly and to much greater reward than bellow w his endless eminent academics or mailer w mailer.
used too many italics imo.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 25 May 2018 06:37 (five years ago) link
Roth film/TV adaptations, past and future
https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/5703-will-there-ever-be-a-great-philip-roth-movie
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 May 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
doesnt even mention barry levinsons 'the humbling'
― johnny crunch, Friday, 25 May 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
That “minority ethnic community” thing is really something
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 25 May 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
iirc Adoration was pretty good!
― Simon H., Friday, 25 May 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
errr Elegy, got my sombre one-word dramas mixed up
― Simon H., Friday, 25 May 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
Indignation was bad.
― flappy bird, Friday, 25 May 2018 17:00 (five years ago) link
The book or the film? The book was pretty good. Not among his best but not bad either.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 25 May 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link
Some good stuff in here:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/books/philip-roths-best-book.html
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 25 May 2018 20:48 (five years ago) link
The movie! I liked the book a lot.
― flappy bird, Friday, 25 May 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link
Putting the brutal ending of the book at the front of the film totally neutered it imo.
― flappy bird, Friday, 25 May 2018 21:35 (five years ago) link
I'm glad to sense Patrimony come up so often.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:35 (five years ago) link
Yeah, Patrimony helped me cope w the reality that my father was dying from cancer when I read it. It’s a total gem.
And oh yeah, I never watched the Indignation movie - so much of the joy of Roth’s work springs from his timing and his exquisite precisison - i have no inclination to watch these books onscreen.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:48 (five years ago) link
It was actually OK otherwise. But flipping the ending completely ruined it.
― flappy bird, Friday, 25 May 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link
That Roth’s books should have to compete against one another is unfortunate but perhaps an inevitable consequence of readerly love and writerly death.
― attica attica (sciatica), Friday, 25 May 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
Bernard-Henri Lévy:
Roth’s work speaks, at heart, of his crazy, complete love for America. But it also says how fragile this America is, vulnerable to its own ghosts, in constant freefall. It’s that ambivalence, that anxious love, demanding and sometimes desperate, that distinguished him from the other writers of the American pastoral—Mailer, Malamud, Bellow. And it's that love that gave Roth such a singular place in the landscape of American and world literature. I remember the day I spent with him, the day of Donald Trump’s inauguration. We watched the ceremony, live on CNN. I observed him surreptitiously. I listened to his commentary. What struck me was his mix of disgust, malice, and satisfaction, as a novelist, at having predicted and described it all in advance.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 25 May 2018 22:49 (five years ago) link
The French always like to think everything is about America, lol.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 26 May 2018 11:10 (five years ago) link
well they're right sometimes
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 May 2018 11:40 (five years ago) link
sabbath's theater is fucking disgusting
― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 July 2019 04:15 (four years ago) link
haven't read that yet, it does sound unpleasant. I thought American Pastoral was really moving
― Dan S, Thursday, 18 July 2019 04:41 (four years ago) link
Sabbath's Theater had its dull moments, but when I read it in 2003 its savagery fascinated me. I'm not sure I'd endure it again, though.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 July 2019 11:05 (four years ago) link
I wonder when David Simon's "The Plot Against America" will air? They may be shooting it right now. I also wonder if such a creepily otm book will be too unwatchably otm as a TV show.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 July 2019 12:19 (four years ago) link
to be clear i meant what i said about sabbath's theater in the most positive way. up there with the america trilogy.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
can't imagine Plot Against America's shitty ending will play any better on tv
― Simon H., Thursday, 18 July 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link