Philip Roth R.I.P

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Promising title

albvivertine, Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link

It’s about a guy who turns into a breast

Elonio Grimesci (wins), Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link

Promising premise (sorry just being a dick now. Would kinda like to read a novel about how awesome boobs are with no resort to metaphor etc tho)

albvivertine, Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link

The breast is great and very funny, actually. It’s a riff on The Metamorphosis, obviously.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 25 May 2018 06:19 (five years ago) link

Good list, btw, Alfred. I also love Nemesis, which totally devastated me when I read it a few months ago.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 25 May 2018 06:21 (five years ago) link

Promising premise (sorry just being a dick now.

homage

rip. have read him less than bellow or mailer, more than updike or any of the forbidding postmodernists (except goofy t.p.)

w zuckerman he handled fictionalized autobiography (+ probably sex politics) much less exasperatingly and to much greater reward than bellow w his endless eminent academics or mailer w mailer.

used too many italics imo.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 25 May 2018 06:37 (five years ago) link

doesnt even mention barry levinsons 'the humbling'

johnny crunch, Friday, 25 May 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link

That “minority ethnic community” thing is really something

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 25 May 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link

iirc Adoration was pretty good!

Simon H., Friday, 25 May 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link

errr Elegy, got my sombre one-word dramas mixed up

Simon H., Friday, 25 May 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link

Indignation was bad.

flappy bird, Friday, 25 May 2018 17:00 (five years ago) link

The book or the film? The book was pretty good. Not among his best but not bad either.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 25 May 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link

The movie! I liked the book a lot.

flappy bird, Friday, 25 May 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link

Putting the brutal ending of the book at the front of the film totally neutered it imo.

flappy bird, Friday, 25 May 2018 21:35 (five years ago) link

I'm glad to sense Patrimony come up so often.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:35 (five years ago) link

Yeah, Patrimony helped me cope w the reality that my father was dying from cancer when I read it. It’s a total gem.

And oh yeah, I never watched the Indignation movie - so much of the joy of Roth’s work springs from his timing and his exquisite precisison - i have no inclination to watch these books onscreen.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:48 (five years ago) link

It was actually OK otherwise. But flipping the ending completely ruined it.

flappy bird, Friday, 25 May 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link

That Roth’s books should have to compete against one another is unfortunate but perhaps an inevitable consequence of readerly love and writerly death.

attica attica (sciatica), Friday, 25 May 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link

Bernard-Henri Lévy:

Roth’s work speaks, at heart, of his crazy, complete love for America. But it also says how fragile this America is, vulnerable to its own ghosts, in constant freefall. It’s that ambivalence, that anxious love, demanding and sometimes desperate, that distinguished him from the other writers of the American pastoral—Mailer, Malamud, Bellow. And it's that love that gave Roth such a singular place in the landscape of American and world literature. I remember the day I spent with him, the day of Donald Trump’s inauguration. We watched the ceremony, live on CNN. I observed him surreptitiously. I listened to his commentary. What struck me was his mix of disgust, malice, and satisfaction, as a novelist, at having predicted and described it all in advance.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 25 May 2018 22:49 (five years ago) link

The French always like to think everything is about America, lol.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 26 May 2018 11:10 (five years ago) link

well they're right sometimes

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 May 2018 11:40 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

sabbath's theater is fucking disgusting

flappy bird, Thursday, 18 July 2019 04:15 (four years ago) link

haven't read that yet, it does sound unpleasant. I thought American Pastoral was really moving

Dan S, Thursday, 18 July 2019 04:41 (four years ago) link

Sabbath's Theater had its dull moments, but when I read it in 2003 its savagery fascinated me. I'm not sure I'd endure it again, though.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 July 2019 11:05 (four years ago) link

I wonder when David Simon's "The Plot Against America" will air? They may be shooting it right now. I also wonder if such a creepily otm book will be too unwatchably otm as a TV show.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 July 2019 12:19 (four years ago) link

to be clear i meant what i said about sabbath's theater in the most positive way. up there with the america trilogy.

flappy bird, Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link

can't imagine Plot Against America's shitty ending will play any better on tv

Simon H., Thursday, 18 July 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link


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