Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

So the takeaway isn't "don't adopt," it's "don't get adopted by people who don't have their shit together."

(that huffpo piece picks out the "she's not perfect!" part but if u read the whole document it's willing to go rather further than that, xp to myself)

no one should have to be raised by any of these people tbh

I came to this conclusion a long time ago (ie when the split initially happened)

dlh, that text is pretty much the final word from 1993, and is from a neutral observer. Yes, it should kinda be a bedrock text. Doesn't mean everything in it is true, but as a historical document, it's closer in time, it's official so probably less biased, etc.

well i'm sure glad you were here to tell us what really happened, guess we can close this case now

Oh stop it. I'm not saying what happened, I'm just saying how source criticism works. Sources are, among other things, measured after how close in time they are to the event in question, and whether or not they're biased.

Fred's right. He even said "Doesn't mean everything in it is true"

Maybe for another thread, but I didn't realise that Mia Farrow had 14 kids, including 10 adopted, and three are now dead, just trying to digest that.

The part of Moses' account where he blames all three deaths on Mia is really nagl tbh.

what i mean is that finding inconsistencies between texts' judgment of the appropriateness of woody allen's bedtime story technique is not v surprising or meaningful when one text is also accusing the other text's court-certified good mom of being a monstrous child abuser enabled for years by the very people whose testimony forms the basis of the other text's conclusions

like since the premise of the moses piece is that the public story is wholly untrue, i don't think it gets us any closer to choosing between them to note that in places it contradicts the public story

(nor is "biased" a concept i can imagine flying v well were i to use my new understanding of source criticism to privilege, say, the yale/newhaven investigation over dylan's own testimony)

hard to justify my arguing at length for a position that is actually just a shrug but tbh i think the stuff in the moses piece triggered me? would say i hope that stuff didn't happen but as the alternative is dylan's story i guess i just hope they didn't both happen.

The yale/newhaven story is dealt with in the custody judgment, which is why I treat that as more important.

But to be honest, I don't think most historians would give that much credit to Dylan's 2014 column either. It's more than twenty years after the fact, she was very young at the time, traumatized, she stated in a Vanity Fair piece that she couldn't remember a lot of what had happened at that time.

I don't think it's really true that the Moses statement should be given equal weight to every other statement, because it claims that everything else is a lie. If there's, like, ten statements that fit together, and one statement that goes 'they're all wrong, and only I speak the truth', well, occams razor. For instance, it's hard to fit the image of Thaddeus in that piece with what Thaddeus himself said about Mia Farrow: “It was scary to be brought to a world of people whose language I did not understand, with different skin colors. The fact that everyone loved me was a new experience, overwhelming at first.”

All I’m going to say about efforts to deflect from my sister‘s allegations: pic.twitter.com/IRrj5fzMqV

— Ronan Farrow (@RonanFarrow) May 24, 2018

hard to fit the image of Thaddeus in that piece with what Thaddeus himself said

not if you accept that Mia was an abuser. but again, probably better for another thread.

Maybe I’m ready to decide that I actually DGAFF about these celebrities and their fucked up kids. No, wait -I am. And I don’t. It’s their business.

Try not to have a completely fucked up family, everybody.

given the deep, deep nightmare i have only just learned was thaddeus' pre-adoption life i think anybody's version of mia farrow-- not to mention the other kids-- would have been a bewildering relief.

(for the same reason i do agree that implying mia drove him to suicide without otherwise describing his experience is a mistake.)

One thing I didn’t understand- Moses claims Mia was on a tear against woody, ongoing for 7 months prior the alleged day of abuse. He goes to great lengths to describe Mia’s vitriol towards woody. But he claims woody and Mia went out for dinner together that night. Idk but if I hated my ex and he was also mad at me about stuff, we would not be going out for dinner together.

none of us have ever married Frank Sinatra and after claiming to have been betrayed by a subsequent mate, said "we never really broke up" with Frank.

There are too many levels of madness in this story for nonpros to deal with.

Otm

These are crazy people

There are degrees of craziness, but there's also a raging narcissist who has been trying to smear Mia Farrow for 25 years at this point. The Woody camp has been lying over and over, Moses' account is filled with elipses and untruths. This is not a 'he said, she said' situation.

fred

mate

Look, at this point, the prior should be that anything defending Woody Allen is probably not true. It has been like that for decades at this point. And so much stuff in this blog post is sketchy. Just the simple thing: If Mia Farrow is an abusive mom, who drove the Previn children insane as well, wouldn't this be something that would have been brought up during the custody battle in 93? Is Woody Allen completely blind? Either 13 kids, a bunch of journalists, the whole court system, is almost conspiring to cover for Mia Farrow. Or this one guy is lying.

fred

mate

i'm leaning towards fred's side here, truth be told

I'm leaning towards the 'eh let's not waste our time trying to weigh up evidence in this sorry fucking mess' side.

I can't begrudge anyone for washing their hands of this mess, but I honestly think it's important. Because the outcome isn't likely to be 'both sides are awful' as much as 'who knows' and then Woody Allen get's a standing ovation at his next Oscar nomination.

Woody Allen is not getting another Oscar nomination.

There is clearly room for all of the children's accounts (Ronan, Moses, Dylan) to be true, simultaneously. It was a big family and it can't have been possible for everyone to see everything, and Moses's account continually alludes to the situations in which family members were unaware of each other's behaviour. The train set evidence is not damning. You can remember getting mugged without remembering where it happened. And it's normal for children (and adults!) to cope with violence and bad behaviour by learning to normalise it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeCjshuXcAA8Heo.jpg:large

he carried a book on elia kazan in. motherfuck that guy

So as @psmith worked out, it looks like Weinstein is ostentatiously carrying Elia Kazan’s biography. Is he allying himself with the man who notoriously outed his “commie” Hollywood peers, or trying to suggest he’s a victim of a witchhunt? https://t.co/nF52Z6QH8V

— Janine Gibson (@janinegibson) May 25, 2018

If he has learned any decency, he would plead guilty.

Sure hope that Elia Kazan book is Weinstein signalling that he intends to rat out a bunch of other abusers in an attempt to save his own skin.

He should. Sometimes crab mentality is ok.

Like when you want the crabs to stay in the container so you can eat parts of them

Those French, they are, 'ow you say, crazy...

http://www.indiewire.com/2018/03/catherine-breillat-asia-argento-harvey-weinstein-jessica-chastain-me-too-1201945040/

Appropriate photo there

Three Mario Batali restaurants in Vegas will close amid mounting sexual-misconduct allegations against the chef https://t.co/T6WN5T3jxj

— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) May 25, 2018

Let’s revel in the amazingness of Las Vegas hospitality businesses shuttering because their Italian-American proprietor has been reportedly getting handsy with the staff.

Catherine Breillat can go to hell afaic

https://theblemish.com/images/2007/04/joe-pesci-casino.jpg

Breillat made some good and interesting movies once upon a time but imagine taking her opinion about this sort of thing seriously

http://observer.com/2018/05/george-takei-accuser-scott-brunton-changed-his-story-of-drugs-assault/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/27/metoo-sexual-assault-claims-accused-men-plot-redemption-charlie-rose-mario-batali

Talkshow host Charlie Rose was fired by CBS and PBS in November after he was accused of groping colleagues and walking around naked in front of them, allegations he denies. Last month, he was reported to have been pitching a new atonement TV series in which he interviews other accused men like him, according to Page Six.

Celebrity chef Mario Batali took a leave of absence after he was accused by multiple women of inappropriate and abusive behaviour. After apologising, he has been “eyeing a second act”, according to the New York Times. Friends and associates say he is “pondering timelines” as to how he might step back into his career just months after it imploded, including by “creating a new company led by a powerful woman chief executive”.

Yeah well Batali keeps getting named by more people so that plan's dead.

Anyway:

JUST IN: Harvey Weinstein indicted by grand jury on charges of rape and criminal sexual act.

“This indictment brings the defendant another step closer to accountability for the crimes of violence with which he is now charged," Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance says. pic.twitter.com/vgrZtne0rF

— ABC News (@ABC) May 30, 2018

Equestrian trainer Jimmy Williams.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/sports/jimmy-williams-flintridge.html?emc=edit_ca_20180529&nl=california-today&nlid=26824120180529&te=1

Woody Allen: 'I should be the poster boy for the #MeToo movement'

wow, go off king

Woody Allen was not accused by 'one woman in a child custody case', he instigated the custody case himself seven days after Mia Farrow told him about what Dylan was saying. It's the very first line in the custody ruling. Fuck that sack of shit so much, and fuck the journalists who keep uncritically repeating his lies.

https://www.scribd.com/document/205403621/Allen-v-Farrow-Custody-Ruling-June-7-1993