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! Nice

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 May 2018 20:28 (five years ago) link

XP - oops yep

MaresNest, Thursday, 24 May 2018 23:35 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

From Facebook -

An update on TC&I things. Colin Moulding tonight. :)

KB, Good evening Colin!

CM. Hi Kieron

KB. There were some well-reported conversations with Terry Chambers here on FB and some words/hints regarding a potential 23 songs to choose from for a live event. Where are you both with this? Any hints as to personnel?

CM. 'I think we may well play some shows in the autumn...provided the players we have in mind and our mix of personalities all work out okay.

KB. Any new songs on the brew Colin?

CM. The composing has largely taken a back seat as the logistics of playing live are all consuming. The “studio” versus “live” scenario is about as different as night and day...One’s brain has to be completely re-programmed. Something I have not had to contend with since 1982..... So, I hope you all forgive me for the time it has taken to conceive all of this.

KB. So, can I ask as to the number of potential shows in the autumn?

CM. The number of shows won't be on the scale that we used to do...... Some well-chosen venues perhaps...

KB. And another elephant in the room question. The setlist. :) I just know that you won’t answer this!

CM. One has to remember that the TC&I roster of songs is still quite small. So, to make a night of it ..... A few “other” compositions of yours truly will have to be included. ......and hearing some of those in a concert hall will be an experience even for me!

MaresNest, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 10:13 (five years ago) link

Nice! I wonder what XTC songs he'd have in mind to play? Sounds to me that he's considering post-1982 stuff, which would be interesting to hear with Chambers.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link

I Need Protection or gtfo

MaresNest, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 16:27 (five years ago) link

I think he'd be good on 'The Meeting Place'!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link

In Loving Memory Of A Name *sigh* if only

MaresNest, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 16:56 (five years ago) link

I'll take whatever as long as I can go

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link

I wonder who the other players might be, some of his Prog cronies perhaps?

MaresNest, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 17:00 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

And here we are, a live residency...

...in Swindon.

https://xtcbumperbookoffunforboysandgirls.blogspot.com/2018/07/xtcs-colin-moulding-and-terry-chambers.html

MaresNest, Saturday, 28 July 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

Live review with setlist spoilers -

http://www.neonfiller.com/wordpress/?p=13165

MaresNest, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link

Spoilers: it's the Colin songs

imago, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link

Big Day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAzt5FK-B6E

MaresNest, Friday, 9 November 2018 14:03 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

Feels like I'm ploughing a furrow here, but for unknown reasons Colin is quitting TC&I and music altogether, it would seem.

"It appears that Colin Moulding has announced some sad news -- TC&I are over and he's putting music "on the back burner" for now.

In 2017 Colin Moulding and his ex-XTC bandmate Terry Chambers formed TC&I and released a four-song EP titled Great Aspirations. Last year, in promotion of the EP the two legends played a handful of shows performing the EP along with classic Moulding-penned XTC songs. It now appears that the project has reached its conclusion. Moulding released a statement revealing that not only is TC&I done with, but Moulding is putting his music career aside, at least for the foreseeable future, to focus on his family.

Read Moulding's statement below which was posted on his behalf on the TC&I fan page last night:

"I'd just like to say that I am calling it a day with TC& I and have no plans to do anymore.

And music itself is on the back burner for now, as I wish to spend more time with my family.

I hope people are not too disappointed in me, and I'd just like to thank everyone for the support they have shown Terry and I in these last two years.

And to all who came to the gigs and gave us such a triumphant return — I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

All the best

Colin"

MaresNest, Friday, 18 January 2019 13:24 (five years ago) link

AP was announcing he's been working with 'one of the most famous people in Britain' last night

imago, Friday, 18 January 2019 13:27 (five years ago) link

'people', whoever could that be? Doesn't sound like he's talking about a musician.

MaresNest, Friday, 18 January 2019 13:46 (five years ago) link

That's kins of ominous. No one goes out of the way, necessarily, to announce that they need to "spend time with the family" unless they know something specific.

Alex in NYC, Friday, 18 January 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link

yea I hope all is well

frogbs, Friday, 18 January 2019 14:43 (five years ago) link

“Resigning to spend more time with my family” has long been a popular thing for UK politicians to say when they resign for political reasons, fwiw - it’s really a way of them saying “I’m resigning because of disagreements but I don’t want to tell you what those disagreements are”.

I only offer this observation as a way that the phrase might be used without it being about knowing something awful.

Tim, Friday, 18 January 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link

four months pass...

Oh Andypaws -

https://www.clashmusic.com/news/xtcs-andy-partridge-accused-of-anti-semitic-tweets

I hear that AP is fond of conspiracy theories and I have a feeling (just a feeling, mind) that like a lot of blokes his age who might be experiencing a bit of a void, he is in the habit of coming back from his local, full of piss and vinegar, firing up Twitter, getting into scraps with people and telegraphing rather robust opinions to the wider world (obviously he has a readymade audience). I just hope he's not a tinfoil hatter, because fuck that.

MaresNest, Saturday, 18 May 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link

Didn't he get in trouble for this already, several years ago?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 May 2019 15:42 (four years ago) link

Written by a friend of mine, who got in a twitter fight with him back in 2012:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-xpm-2012-06-15-ct-ae-0617-twitter-backlash-partridge-20120615-story.html

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 May 2019 15:43 (four years ago) link

I think that might have been for making Peter Sellers-era jokes about Asian stereotypes, can't be totally sure as I'm not on Twitter.

The link is unavailable in the UK :(

MaresNest, Saturday, 18 May 2019 15:45 (four years ago) link

Stay off the beers, Andy. And the internet.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 May 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link

Yes he made those jokes, they were bad, just dumb stereotype stuff. He apologized

Οὖτις, Saturday, 18 May 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link

It's all well and good to follow one of your musical heroes on Twitter until you get into a tweet spat with him.

Andy Partridge was the lead singer-songwriter of the great poppy rock band XTC, and I've enjoyed following him on Twitter because:

A. I feel part of a select group that understands that XTC's genius remains underappreciated in the cold, cruel world of mainstream rock.

B. He comes across as a witty, self-effacing underdog.

C. He's got only about 4,600 Twitter followers and regularly answers fans' questions, so you have an actual opportunity to interact with him online.

This last point is a key element of hanging out in the social media world with people more famous than yourself. Getting a response or retweet from a celebrity (or, even better, to have them follow you — except for Yoko Ono, who follows almost everyone) is the modern equivalent of an autograph, hence all those folks begging Alec Baldwin for a RT.

A few months back, I addressed a geeky-fan Twitter post to the 58-year-old British musician, who tweets under the name @xtcfans (and hasn't recorded with the band since 2000), and he quipped back. So I was feeling warmly toward Mr. Partridge while continuing to play his albums regularly. Then came the Jewish Beatles puns:

"OK, Jewish Beatles=HYME MINE,TWIST AND KVETCH,FOR THE BENEFIT OF MISTER KIKE,MY SON THE DOCTOR ROBERT,MAGICAL MYSTERY TORAH,HELTER SCHMELTER," he tweeted.

Puns are a Twitter staple. But "kike"? "hymie" (misspelled)?

Oh, no, he di'int!

Partridge tweeted more such jokes, ranging from innocuous ("BLUE JAY OYVAY") to noxiously stereotypical ("I NEVER GIVE YOU MY MONEY," "BABY I'M A RICH MAN"). I try not to be hypersensitive, and I'm not on board with our culture's pile-on mentality regarding gaffes, but I've also been imprinted with the notion not to be silent when confronted with derogatory language.

Plus, I didn't want Partridge's music tainted for me by the bad aftertaste of slurs I'd let pass. In theory I like to think that you can separate the art and the artist, but in practical terms that often isn't the case.

For instance, I can't watch Mel Gibson movies anymore. Forget it.

Other celebrities have dug themselves holes on Twitter. Rainn Wilson of "The Office" apologized in February for a since-deleted tweet joking about date rape. Ashton Kutcher took flak for tweeting in support of just-deposed Penn State football coach Joe Paterno as if he were completely unaware of the campus' sex-abuse scandal. Gilbert Gottfried got himself fired from his Aflac voice-over gig after joking on Twitter about the tsunami in Japan.

Part of what vexed me about Partridge is that, as fans are wont to think, I presumed I knew the guy — through his open-hearted songwriting as well as a lengthy, lively interview I conducted with him three years ago. His music and persona reflect someone who's well-meaning, if occasionally clumsy in his delivery.

I decided I ought to confront this issue head-on, so I tweeted: "Oh, crap. One of my favorite musicians, @xtcfans, is making Jew jokes. Sorry, can't see the humor in FOR THE BENEFIT OF MISTER KIKE."

Partridge soon responded: "@MarkCaro Please lighten up and read all my posts below."

Although one tweet referred to "an excuse to pun ourselves into a coma, Jewish Beatles coming soon," this didn't illuminate things much.

I volleyed back that such slurs "reflect poorly," and he replied: "Reflect poorly on what? One is not allowed to use yiddish words in puns?"

I responded that the words in question aren't Yiddish (though Leo Rosten in "The New Joys of Yiddish" writes that the K-word likely was derived from "kikel," Yiddish for "circle," though now is "meant to be contemptuous and to suggest a cheap, low-class, ill-mannered or ugly Jew.")

"I'm not a scoldy person," I wrote, "but it's like using the N-word to make wacky black-people puns."

Partridge returned that his dictionary says the K-word "was used by US born jews to describe immigrant jews, is that bad then? Comparable to N word? Really?"

Me: "Really. N-word grew worse too. Wiki: 'Throughout history, this term has been used as a derogatory word to disparage Jewish people.'"

Another fan also wrote to him: "no one on earth thinks you're a bigot, but yes it really is (comparable to the N-word)."

To someone else who took offense, Partridge responded: "Grow a humour bone, I'm not anti semitic ... " Later he wrote: "This list was compiled by myself and 3 Jewish friends, we all thought it was funny ... you don't." Eventually he sort-of apologized: "Then I'm sorry if you're offended. Moral of the story=never ask Jewish friends for funny Jewish Beatle song puns."

In part, the operative word here is "funny," which presents a high threshold for an awful lot of puns. Is the K-word's sonic similarity to "kite" so hilarious that it justifies tossing the term around casually?

Eventually, Partridge responded to the topic of who can use which words by tweeting, "Yeah, I'm confused." So I decided to try to clear things up.

I tracked him down on the phone in England, and to his credit he wasn't defensive or averse to taking the call.

"I seem to have caused a mini storm, and that wasn't my intention," he said. "My intention was for people to say, 'Hey, that's a funny pun.'"

He said three of his Jewish friends and he have been compiling Jewish Beatles puns for a while, and he's not the one who wrote the more objectionable ones. "I had to ask people what a lot these words were," he said, adding that he didn't realize the words I singled out were offensive. (I got him up to speed on Rev. Jesse Jackson's "Hymietown" scandal of the '80s.)

Also, for what it's worth, Partridge's longtime significant other, Erica Wexler, is the half-Jewish daughter of the late screenwriter Norman Wexler ("Serpico,""Saturday Night Fever").

Still, he said he didn't relate to folks who take umbrage at such names. Having proclaimed his religious nonbelief in XTC's 1987 radio hit "Dear God," he said he wouldn't mind "if somebody called me any bad atheist words. If somebody called me a whitey doughboy, no problem."

Well, OK, I said, but "whitey doughboy" wasn't used at the service of folks who killed, injured, enslaved or otherwise discriminated against people on the basis of race or religion. He acknowledged the point.

"I love puns," said the musician who has a real groaner about "Gaddafy Duck" in the XTC song "Merely a Man." "I just do these silly lists to entertain myself if I can't sleep and it's 5 a.m. My mind goes into overdrive finding silly pun things. In that context I grab any word going. There was no intention to offend, and people didn't get the sense of humor where I just like words for the sound of the words."

He acknowledged that such explanations are not built for Twitter.

"(Using) 140 characters or less, it would take me forever to say what I said to you in the last 10 minutes," Partridge said.

It was a fine, open conversation, with both of us looking up word origins online. Ignorance and insensitivity aren't the greatest alibis for fully formed adults, but better those than calculated bigotry. Afterward I gave a spin to XTC's '60s-psychedelia spinoff project the Dukes of Stratosphear and still found the music funny and invigorating, certainly more so than his puns.

The songwriter returned to banter with admirers on Twitter, and a couple of days later someone was sending him such jokey Beatles titles as "Peas Peas Me" and "It's All Too Mulch."

Tweeted Partridge: "LET'S NOT START THE VEGETABLE BEATLES!!! I can't have vegetarians attacking me, it tickles."

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 May 2019 15:51 (four years ago) link

AH thanks!

MaresNest, Saturday, 18 May 2019 15:56 (four years ago) link

Unfortunately Eric Idle got in first with, "Abie, You're a Rich Man".

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 May 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link

As a Jew who more or less hates the current state of Israel, cant say i find this latest flap as evidence of antisemitism

Οὖτις, Saturday, 18 May 2019 19:40 (four years ago) link

I think it was him "wink"-ing in response to a post that Israel controls the world/banking. And, ugh, some of his other stuff is truly nagl. Like telling a Jewish poster just not to be Jewish, problem solved. Or seemingly downplaying the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust:

@xtcfans with some wonderful holocaust revisionism here. Quoting myths that have been debunked to argue his point. Holocaust revisionism is antisemitism, whether he likes it or not! pic.twitter.com/1wrco1juEf

— s_h_e (@4manynottheJew) May 17, 2019

It looks like he may have deleted his Twitter amount.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 May 2019 19:54 (four years ago) link

Andy is such a bummer on twitter. he's single right? it's always "oh, nothing in my recording shed works, I drank too much tonight, I'm not in a good place, fuck Dave and Colin," etc. So sad

flappy bird, Saturday, 18 May 2019 20:43 (four years ago) link

No, he's not.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 18 May 2019 20:47 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Just dropping in to say that the 5.1 mixes by Steven Wilson of Black Sea, Skylarking and Oranges & Lemons are terrific.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 6 June 2019 01:38 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

So there's a TC&I live record coming out, there's a teaser of Wonderland here -

https://jammerzine.com/first-listen-tci-wonderland-live/

MaresNest, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:10 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

This is kinda neat, I always wonder where he gets the stems from -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TntNxv8wFR4

Maresn3st, Saturday, 26 October 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link

Oh the band sent it to them! No way

Maresn3st, Saturday, 26 October 2019 17:09 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Not very good tbh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoK489YeetQ

Some background for our non-UK readers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_of_the_Pops_(record_series)

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 11 November 2019 20:05 (four years ago) link

lol that's terrible

Οὖτις, Monday, 11 November 2019 20:07 (four years ago) link

Sounds like they spent about 15 minutes recording it before moving on to *consults record sleeve* "The Model" or "Arthur's Theme".

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 11 November 2019 20:10 (four years ago) link

I like that the singer is trying out about six different accents there, none of which sound like Andy Partridge.

Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 11 November 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link

I have an uncle who finds XTC really obnoxious for some reason and I would guess this is what they always sound like to him

frogbs, Monday, 11 November 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link

(xp) LOL. I just listened to the Top of the Pops album version of "Pretty Vacant", which is surprisingly good and is actually enhanced by the singer occasionally going a bit Norman Wisdom "Mr. Grimsdaaayyyyle".

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 11 November 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link

What are they singing instead of "I can see, hear, smell, touch, taste"? "I can see his swell turned taste"?

dorsalstop, Monday, 11 November 2019 20:59 (four years ago) link

The five senses, sight, hissing, swelling, gyration and taste.

dorsalstop, Monday, 11 November 2019 21:01 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWfaMTk4o9I

Maresn3st, Monday, 11 November 2019 22:01 (four years ago) link

Someone needs to compile them "punk" "Top of the pops" versions.

Their version of "Automatic lover" sounds like The Vibrators. All well and good, but it's supposed to be the Dee D Jackson song.

Mark G, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 13:59 (four years ago) link

Record store dude was blasting Apple Venus Volume 1 in store the other day. Sounded great. Wish it was streaming.

triggercut, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 14:33 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://vimeo.com/318598567

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 19:12 (four years ago) link

Great doc

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 20:06 (four years ago) link

Coulda been, but no indication that Colin even existed until 8 minutes in is not the way to tell that band's story.

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 07:39 (four years ago) link


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