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There's a one-sided standoff shaping up in Tucson, Arizona. A group called Veterans on Patrol, headed up by a guy who has never served in the military, found an abandoned homeless camp.

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab)

in fairness, he wanted to call the group "citizens on patrol", but that name was already taken

i'm getting more and more cynical about conspiracy theories. as i continue to read up on history, i am slowly coming to realize how much of history came about because of bizarre conspiracy theories. i posted on another thread about wat tyler's rebellion, and how much of it came out because of a conspiracy theory called the Great Rumour. in America, history was shaped by conspiracy theories like the Corrupt Bargain, the Slave Power Conspiracy, the Business Plot, and i'm starting to think, you know, fuck it, we should embrace this side of ourselves. because it's not about "smart" or "stupid". there were plenty of intelligent people who believed the Business Plot was a real thing and not just a couple of drunk plutocrats blowing off steam. if people are motivated to make positive changes in the world by believing donald trump killed his wife and buried her in the rose garden, go for it. obviously that's provably false, but it doesn't actually hurt a conspiracy theory for it to be provably false. at worst it just goes away to be replaced by a new one.

we are not reasonable people, but have the misfortune to live in a society that assumes and expects us to be reasonable. the worst thing we can do is buy into the lie that reason conquers all.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:38 (five years ago) link

a satirical version of a weirdo militia called 'veterans on patrol' which was led by someone who had never served in the military would seem a little on-the-nose but here we are i guess

and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:38 (five years ago) link

i'd be v interested in a podcast oral history of "Veterans on Patrol"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:34 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thank u so much for getting the Police Academy 4 theme song stuck in my head.

Buttholt Brecht (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:39 (five years ago) link

And yes, rusho, the notion of humans as a rational species is maybe the most pernicious of our mythologies.

Buttholt Brecht (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:41 (five years ago) link

idk I view this like all the wacky sportswriters who always pick some terrible longshot team to "win it all this year", part tongue-in-cheek, part with the knowledge that if the 100-to-1 shot actually hits they'll get a good amount of publicity out of it. when it comes to stuff like this and Pizzagate and "9/11 was an inside job" I often wonder how much of it is legit and how much is trying to stake a claim on something that has a small chance of making you look very smart. mostly just so you can play out the ultimate fantasy of proving wrong all the people who called you an idiot.

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:46 (five years ago) link

anyway, not gonna get interested in this one until someone can tell me how the Clintons are involved

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:48 (five years ago) link

I dunno, I'd have to check with a professional to be sure but I think they call that psychosis.

Buttholt Brecht (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:50 (five years ago) link

Like running around every day at 4:27 to shove your busted watch in the face of all the naysayers who implored you to get it fixed. I knew it would be right eventually! I knew it!!!

Buttholt Brecht (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:51 (five years ago) link

I might as well just learn to roll with it, though, since this is clearly the direction we're headed as a species.

Buttholt Brecht (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link

anyway, not gonna get interested in this one until someone can tell me how the Clintons are involved

well since you asked

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De5q_DyU8AAqIAr.jpg

and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:08 (five years ago) link

i posted on another thread about wat tyler's rebellion, and how much of it came out because of a conspiracy theory called the Great Rumour. in America, history was shaped by conspiracy theories like the Corrupt Bargain, the Slave Power Conspiracy, the Business Plot, and i'm starting to think, you know, fuck it, we should embrace this side of ourselves. because it's not about "smart" or "stupid". there were plenty of intelligent people who believed the Business Plot was a real thing and not just a couple of drunk plutocrats blowing off steam.

― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, June 6, 2018 1:38 PM (three hours ago)

maybe i'm misunderstanding you but i thought the business plot was a real thing? even if it never got past the talking stage.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link

meanwhile the Trump administration defends keeping actual children in actual cages:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/04/merkley-shelter-migrant-children-trump-593988

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link

yea someone ought to tell the Arizona guys, they'll be pissed

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link

I'm sure they'll get right on it

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link

maybe i'm misunderstanding you but i thought the business plot was a real thing? even if it never got past the talking stage.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.)

my reading of the results of the congressional investigation was "no way in fucking hell were these guys ever going to actually overthrow the government". even if they hadn't picked as a figurehead smedley butler, who immediately made a big stink about it to the press, eventually they would've talked to somebody who would have pointed out to them what a dumbshit idea their "conspiracy" was.

government based on fabricated conspiracies isn't exactly a new thing. this goes at least as far back as that time cicero (as far as anybody can tell) totally made up a conspiracy about catiline because he was worried that catiline's policies were too friendly towards the poor.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Thursday, 7 June 2018 01:38 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

I think the whole spectrum from center to left has really failed to appreciate what is going on with pizzagate, qanon, Alex Jones, etc. This is not mere "tinfoil hat" stuff, this is the deliberate weaponization of conspiracy theory against political opponents.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link

deliberate and coordinated, so there's my conspiracy theory I guess

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...

Traditionally shadowy science group The Jasons get chased out of the Pentagon
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/storied-jason-science-advisory-group-loses-contract-pentagon

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 07:56 (five years ago) link

five months pass...

The Georgia Guidestones... wt actual f?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

I'd never heard of this until yesterday when I was talking with a friend about how she'd gone for a coffee with an old friend of hers and how the conversation had turned somewhat weird. Now, she's known this friend for years but they only catch up with one another every now and again, this friend has always been religious but is now super religious. So, they were talking about Brexit (of course) when the friend said Brexit was just a smokescreen for what is really going on in the world - the smokescreen being a product of an elite of the Vatican(?!), global bankers (naturally) and, er, some other people she couldn't remember, the clue to all of this being the Georgia Guidestones. I think my friend sort of nodded along politely but I think when she was told the 2004 tsunami was manmade because some scientist in the early 20th century had shown you could manufacture tsunamis by drilling into the earth and dropping some sort of device into the earth's crust and the whole thrust of the Georgia Guidestones and the elites behind it is to drastically reduce the world's population, she demurred. Apparently her friend invited me and her to visit at her house out in Sussex, I said if you think I'm spending a weekend with an insane person you can forget it.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 30 September 2019 11:51 (four years ago) link

yeah this is real tho, wake up sheeple

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 30 September 2019 11:53 (four years ago) link

but what if i want to interfere necessarily!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 30 September 2019 12:03 (four years ago) link

damn i always suspected u were a freemason troll

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 30 September 2019 12:29 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

the sky is fake

flappy bird, Thursday, 17 October 2019 00:04 (four years ago) link

Justin Trudeau is the son of Fidel Castro.

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 17 October 2019 04:58 (four years ago) link

obv

alomar lines, Thursday, 17 October 2019 05:16 (four years ago) link

or Mick Jagger IIRC

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 17 October 2019 05:26 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

IDK if this exactly goes here, but is there some kind of right wing crank thing about "Delphi Method" or "Delphi Technique" as a means of false consensus building? I ask because there's a certain political process going on in my area that I don't want to get into and that someone I know described as using "Delphi Technique" to build a fake consensus. When I read descriptions of this, it sounded exactly like what is going on with this political process, but every single site/video/article I can find about it seems to be some kind of right wing crank site.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 04:20 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

Never heard of it! Why is the consensus it builds false?

anvil, Sunday, 17 May 2020 12:16 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

the Wayfair one might just be the dumbest of all time.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 00:37 (three years ago) link

One of the allegedly trafficked people took to FB to say she was never missing and how stupid they are for believing this crap and the viewers were all berating her telling her she was still missing or she was on a fake "set" recording it

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 12:44 (three years ago) link

There's no arguing with people who insist that their brains remain broken.

Well, that's a fine howdy adieu! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:25 (three years ago) link

It's the same names, though! The same names!!!

pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:44 (three years ago) link

*googles*
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*regrets*

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I made the mistake of googling that one myself over the weekend. We are a dumb, dumb country.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:38 (three years ago) link

I couldn't contain my laughter at everybody arguing with the "missing" girl as to whether she was really missing.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:42 (three years ago) link

Esp since the ONLY report of her missing on the entire internet is this fake-looking website titled "Newsbreak" and the other 99% = Wayfair articles

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:43 (three years ago) link

I just genuinely don't know what the root cause of this strain of brain rot might be, where someone just flat out refuses to accept or even interact with any logical evidence that refutes these dumb theories.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:45 (three years ago) link

It never ceases to amaze me that people can operate at such a diminished capacity and yet continue to do the things necessary for continued survival. Like you'd think they'd eventually walk into traffic because CARS ARE JUST PROPAGANDA AND DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST AND ALSO THIS FISTFUL OF BROKEN GLASS LOOKS LIKE DELICIOUS SUGARY CANDY YUM YUM

Well, that's a fine howdy adieu! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:45 (three years ago) link

More like what they want you to think is 'logical evidence', sheeple.

xp

pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:46 (three years ago) link

But I mean even that dude that stormed into the pizza place armed said the right things about being "wrong" after his arrest (presumably as advised by his counsel), but still doubled down on the overall theory just being more well hidden than they thought.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:48 (three years ago) link

THIS FISTFUL OF BROKEN GLASS LOOKS LIKE DELICIOUS SUGARY CANDY YUM YUM

Relevant:

Cake: The Movie pic.twitter.com/GjoVeXm3FP

— Daniel 'danbanbam' Spencer (@danbanbam) July 13, 2020

pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:51 (three years ago) link

The thing that really upsets me isn't that there is a conspiracy that Wayfair is a front for child trafficking, it's that mainstream news publications are running headlines like "Fact check: No evidence linking Wayfair to human trafficking operation"

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link

Yeah just legitimizes it in the eyes of the theorists

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link

*googles*
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*regrets*

yeah this

Two Meter Peter (Ste), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 00:00 (three years ago) link

How widespread is 'Tom Hanks has been executed at some point in the past and the person you see today is his brother / someone pretending to be him" in, I guess, Qanon world and around?

Sometimes you see these things crop up but not sure if this is the work of an individual crank or a more common motif

anvil, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 03:41 (three years ago) link

Hanks is the Paul McCartney of today.

nickn, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 03:46 (three years ago) link

That Tom Hanks thing sounds like something cooked up by high school kids for a goof.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 03:55 (three years ago) link

Goofy was the dingo that ate the baby

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 04:01 (three years ago) link


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