the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

Yeah to be honest I should know better after years of watching barristers, MPs, evolutionary biologists etc being unbelievably shit at the internet.

From what I understand (and I only follow ppl that follow MZC) that tweet was purely aimed at the fbpe lot (who @ Corbyn all the time on Brexit, including one occasion where Corbyn tweeted about Guatemala, such a pathetic sight).

MZC's tone was wrong, but those ppl are each other's throats

FWIW I don't think it really helps anyone to have Brexit used as a proxy war between rival Labour factions, which if you look at, say, Chuka's shifting position on the issue over the last two years is pretty much what's happening.

Course it doesn't help but when have principles ever interfered with the wing whose motto is "power first, policies later"?

I'm not even being reductive, that is the Blue Labour mission statement

Inspirational stuff.

In the interests of balance Polly Toynbee would like to point out that under Tony Blair every 5 year-old in the country was £2.36 a year better off in real terms

but I don't think most Leave voters were really taking Greece or Spain into account when they voted.

No, but they certainly enjoyed using half-arsed arguments as cover for it. The amount of people who couldn’t have told you a thing about Irish politics banging on about the troika/Lisbon/Nice was ludicrous.

MZC usually makes relatively valid points but in an incredibly cunty way. I believe he’s mentioned one of his parents is an EU immigrant, so is not arguing from the position of someone entirely unaffected.

People focusing their efforts on attacking the opposition rather than the government continue to be suss at best.

that's the Labour Party which voted against the government, and the rebels that voted with it https://t.co/N2WtrU5F4n

— jamie k (@jkbloodtreasure) June 12, 2018

rip charlie mullins

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44465639

I dunno if this is the right place but hey..

Wetherspoon to stop selling champagne ahead of Brexit

Pub chain JD Wetherspoon has said it will replace champagne with sparkling wines from the UK from next month.

The company's founder, Tim Martin, who campaigned for Brexit, said it was part of a transition away from products made in the European Union.

Under the plan, British wheat beer and alcohol-free beer will replace the current beers brewed in Germany.

Mr Martin said the new drinks would be cheaper than the European Union products that they are replacing.

He said: "There will be an inevitable transfer of trade post-Brexit to countries outside the EU, which will reduce prices in shops and pubs.

"The products we are now introducing are at lower prices than the EU products they are replacing."

The move was part of a review all products over the next six to 24 months, he said, adding: "We intend to honour existing contracts with EU suppliers, some of which have several years to run.

"However, we are starting to make the transition to non-EU trade now."

Wetherspoon said its new wheat beers brewed in the UK will include Blue Moon Belgian White, Thornbridge Versa Weisse Beer and SA Brains Atlantic White.

um, wahat?

if its cheaper why didn't they do this already

Anyone who thinks that Blue Moon is an adequate replacement for Belgian beer is an idiot and deserves to go bankrupt.

All that, sure. It was more the 'cultural appropriation' of Weisse beer, and Belgian White, and so on..

Thornbridge are really good

but that is idiocy haha

Anyone opposed to Brexit (and all little Englander nonsense) should probably never drink in a Spoons. I never have and never will.

Wetherspoons cunt is totally deranged

the thought of drinking champagne in a wetherspoons has given me crippling depression

So despite Corbyn whipping Labour to vote against the Tories again and again yesterday the FBPE crowd are still going after Corbyn instead of the Tory government. Can we stop pretending FBPE has anything to do with stopping Brexit and admit it's about stopping Corbyn?

— Ed Poole (@edwardpoole1975) June 13, 2018

^ ton of ppl wasting their breath. Ok, there is a way to go but May's path is for a soft brexit. No 2nd ref. It's about the extent of the damage to the economy ahead of the next general election.

Not to pile on or anything in the morning after some colourful exchanges here but I saw a point someone make a couple of days ago, of a possibility - should the referendum result be turned back by a 2nd ref (and that is only 52% the other way), or by any means necessary - of an upturn in fascist-type attacks, where a lot of migrant communities would suffer.

I don't think there's a possibility, I think that's definitely going to happen - in a reversion, in a soft Brexit once they figure out that they haven't turned the tides back, and even more so in a hard Brexit once they feel empowered by what they got. But these aren't the wages of Brexit, they're what was already happening, what made Brexit possible in the first place. It's a fight that will have to happen no matter what - though obviously having the ECJ about would be handy.

Oh also where are my manners: thank you very much for your kind words, Jed.

I'd be interested to see the latest demographics of Wetherspoons staff in terms of how many come from other EU countries. I guess if he can't get the staff he'll close several branches down which is a VERY British thing to rn.

oh my fuck

Amazing range of looks from the PM pic.twitter.com/0lF7OurwBT

— Esther Webber (@estwebber) June 13, 2018

maybot going 'turn back you poxy fule'

Almost makes me feel sorry for May, Johnson's smug "yup, that was me" grin is so despicable.

Fair zinger from Corbz and all.

turn back you brexit fule morelikeamirite?

yeah i felt a bit bad for her there

how about now?

I am completely incapable of feeling bad for May tbh

oh it passed

god boris is such a cunt

may’s expressions there are fucking priceless tho

I might feel a twinge of pity if May was slowly lowered feet first into boiling molten lead, but it would soon pass.

for the molten lead lol

lol

The government's amendment has been defeated - it appears that it didn't reflect the guarantees that Grieve's lot thought they'd been given.

not like them lot to try and mislead people with vague wording and outright chicanery!

just tried to read the amendment 19 doc multiple times and gave up, but I guess it ultimately doesn't deliver anything!

is this really a surprise for anyone ?
I was more surprised that the remainers actually believed that she would honour her word pre the big vote the other day.
so many of them were 'she gave us her word' before giving her the vote.
she was testing numbers.
they have been played.

I thought it might be naive to take May's word at face value, but it doesn't seem a good long game move by her - that is if these fuckers have actually got any wrath in them to unleash upon her on the next vote.

I'm completely shocked that a crass social engineering project by IDS is proving to be as equally useless as it is vindictive and costly and future forecasts are for spiralling costs and more poverty, some a+ work there, mucker I hope you die very painfully and very soon, arsehole.

oh shit the laser gaze of rees-mogg falls upon my ppl let the women be put indoors let them clutch their broods and beads let us leave out offerings of yesterdays bread and turnt milk that this may pass over our bothys and leave us poor folk untouched

*knock on the door*"I must say, thank you for the milk, it's most enjoyably rank. Do you have any more? I would be happy to just look at some regular milk, if it was available"

Also while on one level the slapstick yesterday was predictable, I did feel it marked some stage where we know that May knows that this circle can't really be squared by applications of Will and Duty and arsing on about the Will of the People.

i mean only yesterday, srsly

i mean i know bubble and i know somewhat forcing yrself not to face things but

this guy just spiked an amendment to make upskirting illegal
https://www.parliament.uk/biographies/commons/sir-christopher-chope/242

https://assets3.parliament.uk/ext/mnis-bio-person/www.dodspeople.com/photos/25799.jpg.jpg

Is this also why Philip Davies filibustered for three hours?

my first reaction on hearing this was "Davies". Here's a handy list of all the ways Davies has prevented change for the better or actively sought to make things worse: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-davies-filibuster-domestic-violence-a7479266.html

that's weird he doesn't look like a etc etc

But Sir Christopher Chope shouted "object" to the private member's bill.

Any idea why?

Philip Davies needs to die

As I say, it wasn't him.