the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

Anyone opposed to Brexit (and all little Englander nonsense) should probably never drink in a Spoons. I never have and never will.

Wetherspoons cunt is totally deranged

the thought of drinking champagne in a wetherspoons has given me crippling depression

So despite Corbyn whipping Labour to vote against the Tories again and again yesterday the FBPE crowd are still going after Corbyn instead of the Tory government. Can we stop pretending FBPE has anything to do with stopping Brexit and admit it's about stopping Corbyn?

— Ed Poole (@edwardpoole1975) June 13, 2018

^ ton of ppl wasting their breath. Ok, there is a way to go but May's path is for a soft brexit. No 2nd ref. It's about the extent of the damage to the economy ahead of the next general election.

Not to pile on or anything in the morning after some colourful exchanges here but I saw a point someone make a couple of days ago, of a possibility - should the referendum result be turned back by a 2nd ref (and that is only 52% the other way), or by any means necessary - of an upturn in fascist-type attacks, where a lot of migrant communities would suffer.

I don't think there's a possibility, I think that's definitely going to happen - in a reversion, in a soft Brexit once they figure out that they haven't turned the tides back, and even more so in a hard Brexit once they feel empowered by what they got. But these aren't the wages of Brexit, they're what was already happening, what made Brexit possible in the first place. It's a fight that will have to happen no matter what - though obviously having the ECJ about would be handy.

Oh also where are my manners: thank you very much for your kind words, Jed.

I'd be interested to see the latest demographics of Wetherspoons staff in terms of how many come from other EU countries. I guess if he can't get the staff he'll close several branches down which is a VERY British thing to rn.

oh my fuck

Amazing range of looks from the PM pic.twitter.com/0lF7OurwBT

— Esther Webber (@estwebber) June 13, 2018

maybot going 'turn back you poxy fule'

Almost makes me feel sorry for May, Johnson's smug "yup, that was me" grin is so despicable.

Fair zinger from Corbz and all.

turn back you brexit fule morelikeamirite?

yeah i felt a bit bad for her there

how about now?

I am completely incapable of feeling bad for May tbh

oh it passed

god boris is such a cunt

may’s expressions there are fucking priceless tho

I might feel a twinge of pity if May was slowly lowered feet first into boiling molten lead, but it would soon pass.

for the molten lead lol

lol

The government's amendment has been defeated - it appears that it didn't reflect the guarantees that Grieve's lot thought they'd been given.

not like them lot to try and mislead people with vague wording and outright chicanery!

just tried to read the amendment 19 doc multiple times and gave up, but I guess it ultimately doesn't deliver anything!

is this really a surprise for anyone ?
I was more surprised that the remainers actually believed that she would honour her word pre the big vote the other day.
so many of them were 'she gave us her word' before giving her the vote.
she was testing numbers.
they have been played.

I thought it might be naive to take May's word at face value, but it doesn't seem a good long game move by her - that is if these fuckers have actually got any wrath in them to unleash upon her on the next vote.

I'm completely shocked that a crass social engineering project by IDS is proving to be as equally useless as it is vindictive and costly and future forecasts are for spiralling costs and more poverty, some a+ work there, mucker I hope you die very painfully and very soon, arsehole.

oh shit the laser gaze of rees-mogg falls upon my ppl let the women be put indoors let them clutch their broods and beads let us leave out offerings of yesterdays bread and turnt milk that this may pass over our bothys and leave us poor folk untouched

*knock on the door*"I must say, thank you for the milk, it's most enjoyably rank. Do you have any more? I would be happy to just look at some regular milk, if it was available"

Also while on one level the slapstick yesterday was predictable, I did feel it marked some stage where we know that May knows that this circle can't really be squared by applications of Will and Duty and arsing on about the Will of the People.

i mean only yesterday, srsly

i mean i know bubble and i know somewhat forcing yrself not to face things but

this guy just spiked an amendment to make upskirting illegal
https://www.parliament.uk/biographies/commons/sir-christopher-chope/242

https://assets3.parliament.uk/ext/mnis-bio-person/www.dodspeople.com/photos/25799.jpg.jpg

Is this also why Philip Davies filibustered for three hours?

my first reaction on hearing this was "Davies". Here's a handy list of all the ways Davies has prevented change for the better or actively sought to make things worse: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-davies-filibuster-domestic-violence-a7479266.html

that's weird he doesn't look like a etc etc

But Sir Christopher Chope shouted "object" to the private member's bill.

Any idea why?

Philip Davies needs to die

As I say, it wasn't him.

I don't see what that has to do with anything

Any idea why?

the rules in Parliament mean it only requires one MP to shout "object" to block a bill's progress.

Any excuse to subvert democracy.

Chope is a real piece of work, he even tried to block the pardoning of Alan Turing.

if there's no financial incentive these are just the kinds of guys who get off on frustrating snowflakes

This one's for you "Sir" Christopher https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sa6hVcWp1Q

And we've got a thread for him too,

What do you find strangely erotic? [Started by Antmusic78 (Antmusic78) in March 2004, last updated thirty minutes ago by ogmor on I Love Everything] 73 new answers

We need to make this happen.

I can only assume we now know what Sir Christopher Chope’s main hobby is. I think we should name it Choping in honour of him https://t.co/o8yaVIZDlu

— Richard K Herring (@Herring1967) June 15, 2018

is chope one of those upper class names that iis actually pronounced challope?

This charming man...

On 12 March 2010, he was responsible for the blocking of a bill to protect poor countries from "vulture funds", despite his party's support for the bill.[14]

On 11 October 2011, Chope raised an eleventh-hour objection to the Hillsborough debate taking place because he believed a debate about MPs' pensions was more important. Cries of "shame" echoed around the chamber and Labour MP Jamie Reed said that the perpetrator should be "named and shamed" for raising the objection.[15]

In December 2013 Chope objected[16][17] to the second reading of the Alan Turing (Statutory Pardon) Bill in the House of Commons. Because of this, the Government decided to act under the royal prerogative of mercy. On 24 December 2013 Queen Elizabeth II granted Turing a free pardon.[18][19]

He came under criticism in late 2014 for repeatedly blocking a bill that would ban the use of wild animals in circus performances, justifying his actions by saying "The EU Membership Costs and Benefits bill should have been called by the clerk before the circuses bill, so I raised a point of order".[20]

On 28 November 2014 Chope, a private landlord, filibustered a Liberal Democrat bill with cross party support intended to make revenge evictions an offence.[21]

In October 2015, Chope joined fellow Conservative members Philip Davies and David Nuttall in extended speeches, known as a filibuster, against a private member's bill that would have placed restrictions on hospital parking charges for carers. Their actions caused the bill to run out of time.[22]

On 15 June 2018 Chope blocked the passage of a private member's bill that would have made upskirting a specific offence by calling "object" in the House of Commons, which drew immediate criticism from fellow MPs, including some in his own party. Chope also forced a delay to final debate on the 'Mental Health Units (Use of Force) Bill', or Seni's Law.[23]

Lower than vermin indeed...

https://news.sky.com/story/why-mp-sir-christopher-chope-objected-to-making-upskirting-a-criminal-offence-11406015

I would pay to watch him getting beaten to a pulp and then boiled in hot oil, hopefully he already he blocked the member's bill to ban this type of punishment for the crime of coin clipping, or something like that!

The secret barrister said that Chope admitted to not knowing what upskirting was. There have been so many cases like this, as people have posted, but this time there seem to be just as many Tories angry. The official party account and the PM’s account have already put out statements saying they do want the law to pass, and the heckler in parliament was a Tory.

I’m not really sure why they’ve decided this particular outcry deserves response but I’d guess they’re concerned about polling with women? The Tories beat labour soundly in 2015 with both men and women but last year that flipped and Labour made huge gains with female voters: http://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-findings/women-men-and-the-2017-general-election-by-jane-green-and-chris-prosser

If I had to go out on a limb, I’d say that the ongoing murmurs of Brexit not being delivered means they’re also worried about losing former UKIP voters (who BES also reports as being majority male), and they’ll can’t afford to lose both sources of support? Only a daft theory though.

fuck tories forever.

labour are doing badly in scotland

🗳 The latest @thetimesscot @YouGov Westminster (Scotland) poll:

SNP 40 (+4)
Tories 27 (+4)
Labour 23 (-5)
Liberal Democrats 7 (+1)
Greens 2 (-1)
UKIP 1 (-2)
Other 0 (-1)

Westminster seat projection:
SNP 43 (+8)
Tories 11 (-2)
Liberal Democrats 4 (n/c)
Labour 1 (-6)

— Ross Colquhoun (@rosscolquhoun) June 7, 2018

glad to hear that.