the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

I don't see what that has to do with anything

Any idea why?

the rules in Parliament mean it only requires one MP to shout "object" to block a bill's progress.

Any excuse to subvert democracy.

Chope is a real piece of work, he even tried to block the pardoning of Alan Turing.

if there's no financial incentive these are just the kinds of guys who get off on frustrating snowflakes

This one's for you "Sir" Christopher https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sa6hVcWp1Q

And we've got a thread for him too,

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We need to make this happen.

I can only assume we now know what Sir Christopher Chope’s main hobby is. I think we should name it Choping in honour of him https://t.co/o8yaVIZDlu

— Richard K Herring (@Herring1967) June 15, 2018

is chope one of those upper class names that iis actually pronounced challope?

This charming man...

On 12 March 2010, he was responsible for the blocking of a bill to protect poor countries from "vulture funds", despite his party's support for the bill.[14]

On 11 October 2011, Chope raised an eleventh-hour objection to the Hillsborough debate taking place because he believed a debate about MPs' pensions was more important. Cries of "shame" echoed around the chamber and Labour MP Jamie Reed said that the perpetrator should be "named and shamed" for raising the objection.[15]

In December 2013 Chope objected[16][17] to the second reading of the Alan Turing (Statutory Pardon) Bill in the House of Commons. Because of this, the Government decided to act under the royal prerogative of mercy. On 24 December 2013 Queen Elizabeth II granted Turing a free pardon.[18][19]

He came under criticism in late 2014 for repeatedly blocking a bill that would ban the use of wild animals in circus performances, justifying his actions by saying "The EU Membership Costs and Benefits bill should have been called by the clerk before the circuses bill, so I raised a point of order".[20]

On 28 November 2014 Chope, a private landlord, filibustered a Liberal Democrat bill with cross party support intended to make revenge evictions an offence.[21]

In October 2015, Chope joined fellow Conservative members Philip Davies and David Nuttall in extended speeches, known as a filibuster, against a private member's bill that would have placed restrictions on hospital parking charges for carers. Their actions caused the bill to run out of time.[22]

On 15 June 2018 Chope blocked the passage of a private member's bill that would have made upskirting a specific offence by calling "object" in the House of Commons, which drew immediate criticism from fellow MPs, including some in his own party. Chope also forced a delay to final debate on the 'Mental Health Units (Use of Force) Bill', or Seni's Law.[23]

Lower than vermin indeed...

https://news.sky.com/story/why-mp-sir-christopher-chope-objected-to-making-upskirting-a-criminal-offence-11406015

I would pay to watch him getting beaten to a pulp and then boiled in hot oil, hopefully he already he blocked the member's bill to ban this type of punishment for the crime of coin clipping, or something like that!

The secret barrister said that Chope admitted to not knowing what upskirting was. There have been so many cases like this, as people have posted, but this time there seem to be just as many Tories angry. The official party account and the PM’s account have already put out statements saying they do want the law to pass, and the heckler in parliament was a Tory.

I’m not really sure why they’ve decided this particular outcry deserves response but I’d guess they’re concerned about polling with women? The Tories beat labour soundly in 2015 with both men and women but last year that flipped and Labour made huge gains with female voters: http://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-findings/women-men-and-the-2017-general-election-by-jane-green-and-chris-prosser

If I had to go out on a limb, I’d say that the ongoing murmurs of Brexit not being delivered means they’re also worried about losing former UKIP voters (who BES also reports as being majority male), and they’ll can’t afford to lose both sources of support? Only a daft theory though.

fuck tories forever.

labour are doing badly in scotland

🗳 The latest @thetimesscot @YouGov Westminster (Scotland) poll:

SNP 40 (+4)
Tories 27 (+4)
Labour 23 (-5)
Liberal Democrats 7 (+1)
Greens 2 (-1)
UKIP 1 (-2)
Other 0 (-1)

Westminster seat projection:
SNP 43 (+8)
Tories 11 (-2)
Liberal Democrats 4 (n/c)
Labour 1 (-6)

— Ross Colquhoun (@rosscolquhoun) June 7, 2018

glad to hear that.

Scotland's a write off.

LOL @ the prospect of Labour winning an election and people in Scotland not getting the government they voted for again.

... General Election that is.

LOL @ the prospect of Labour winning an election and people in Scotland not getting the government they voted for again.

Richard Leonard seems to be doing a cracking job! I guess the SNP will be favoured for opposing austerity/brexit more effectively and the Tories for stoking up the sectarianism.

(xp) No thanks to selfish cunts in Scotland, eh?

explain why ye allow filibustering again

one of our troglodytes tried it a few weeks ago against the abortion bill and the ceann comhairle rather bemusedly told him we didnt allow that then had him fucked out

I have a question about incitement laws because I'm not clear about this. If somebody said that Philip Davies and whoever that other cunt was should be brutally murdered that would probably be incitement right? Just wondering.

I think that most human beings agree that upskirting is abusive and grim and this is the one thing everyone was supposed to agree on and it's just terrible PR for the Tories for their MP and to be the one to torpedo it on an abstract point of principle (yeah right).

explain why ye allow filibustering again

I don’t really understand this either? I would have thought it had been cracked down on after Parnell et al successfully obstructed legislation this way (yeeeeo) but why turn down a useful tool I guess? Funny that we don’t allow it though!

Procedures committee did recommend banning it fwiw.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/filibuster-ban-mps-parliament-uk-house-of-commons-procedure-committee-a7366971.html

Chope was apparently unaware of what ‘upskirting’ is and also shouted down a bill making it an offence to attack police dogs and horses so I assume he just objects to new laws in general - though that libertarianism obviously doesn’t extend to gay marriage, etc.

what a complete *character*! I bet they have a good laugh about their day's deeds in the subsidised Westminster bars.

Explanation of general opposition to private members’ bills doesn’t wash, there’s a lot of previous.
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/15441893.The_47_bills_Christchurch_MP_Chris_Chope_wants_to_put_before_Parliament/

The government’s opposition to cannabis oil is ridiculous and should hurt them.

I’ve written to the Home Secretary urging him to allow legal prescriptions of cannabis oil for medical purposes.

As a parent who lost a son to intractable epilepsy, I'm speaking out in the hope that further deaths can be avoided & families are spared the pain of losing a child. pic.twitter.com/KXee732n1W

— Andy McDonald MP (@AndyMcDonaldMP) June 18, 2018

Charlotte Caldwell is incredible.

a handful of deaths is a small price to pay to prevent millions from getting the munchies

LOL @ this utter dickhead

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44518706

As a regular reader of the home of conservatism, the comments on that Nicky Morgan article are unreal even by their standards.

After PM's speech with no wifi here's short version - 1. NHS getting a lot of extra £££ in exchange for reform 2. PM won't say who specifically is going to pay 3. No 10 stands by claim that Brexit dividend can be source of some of £££, uncertain at best, misleading at worst

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) June 18, 2018

And we know what reform means.

uncertain at best, misleading at worst

That'll be her told, Laura.

fuck me, as an ex-epileptic and with another ex-epileptic in the house, I'm thinking it is a good job ppl don't use Epilim or Tegretol as recreational drugs. Although I used to enjoy getting pissed on 2 cans when I was on Tegretol!

You have to spell it out to appreciate the enormity: this government would rather people die than risk an increase in access to a very accessible non-lethal substance. You'd think some public-spirited journalist might want to make big deal of that.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/18/parkinsons-and-ms-spared-benefit-retesting-u-turn-pip-assessment?CMP=share_btn_tw

this is good news, I think. But I had a verbal blast at an MS nurse last week who tried to say the criteria for the mobility element of PIP had changed and was encouraging the partner to apply to an MS charity for a mobility scooter rather than re-apply for PIP. I told her she was talking crap and the downright arbitrary and dishonest nature of PIP assessments isn't a criteria ffs!

LOL the United Kingdom...

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2018/06/leave-voters-would-rather-lose-northern-ireland-than-give-up-the-benefits-of-brexit/

tbh I wouldn't mind seeing the breakup of the UK after Brexit either, maybe I'd move to Scotland if they'd let me

I wonder if this has sunk into the Rees Noggin yet, probably not - he much prefers the art of speaking over listening!

I wouldn't recommend living in Scotland if NI leaves the UK, just imagine the influx of Loyalist cunts that would ensue.

oh god *shudder*

The Final Solution!

"the benefits of brexit"

I wouldn't recommend living in Scotland if NI leaves the UK, just imagine the influx of Loyalist cunts that would ensue.

Would this still happen if Scotland was independent? Wouldn't they move to England in that scenario?

xpost was gonna ask..

Do Rangers play in England?

They're "Ulster Scots", they hate the English.

They don't *play* in Scotland tbf