Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

that would be:

https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/14/17463404/millie-bobby-brown-meme-twitter-deactivation

I haven't listened to Hardwick's podcast in several months, but I hope he hasn't knocked his wife up yet like they were planning so she can gtfo with her Hearst money before it's too late.

that would be:

https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/14/17463404/millie-bobby-brown-meme-twitter-deactivation🕸

Twitter is such an absolute cesspool.

For what it's worth, my "quell surprise" has more to do with unease with adult self-proclaimed nerd culture than it was signaling my brilliant taste at not liking the guy.

― Three Word Username

whenever i hear the words "nerd culture" i reach for my jockstrap

Shitty nerds have administered more nut punches and atomic wedgies to nerddom than generations of jocks ever did.

If you haven't been a nerd by the time you are 25, you have no heart; if you are still a nerd after 25, you also have no heart.

I'm all for discussing the toxic elements of nerd culture but lately I've also seen dudes insist that nerds are the problem in a self-distancing way that seems to ignore that men are the problem

if you all say nerd 100 times itt it turns into a reddit thread

I've also seen dudes insist that nerds are the problem in a self-distancing way that seems to ignore that men are the problem

YES. thank you.

he’s denied everything, not that that closes the book

I'm all for discussing the toxic elements of nerd culture but lately I've also seen dudes insist that nerds are the problem in a self-distancing way that seems to ignore that men are the problem

― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 16 June 2018 06:50 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh...still at this eh

nerd culture = monoculture

monoculture is misogynistic therefore nerd culture is too

he’s denied everything, not that that closes the book

He specifically denies "sexually assaulting" her, but her own account describes the emotional abuse that led to her passively allowing him to use her prone body for sex whenever he chose - which he verbally mocked at the same time as taking advantage. If it were in court, this would likely be considered consensual activity.

He has not denied that he blocked her from having friends, socialising on her own terms, having independent interests, TALKING IN PUBLIC, nor that he extensively conspired to have her denied multiple employment opportunities after breaking up.

His statement also appears to confirm that he considered, and still does, a single instance of kissing another person to mark her as a scarlet-lettered harlot, unworthy of his glorious love and mighty semen.

There is a Mel article that is circulating, this part resonates

" ...yet men of his sort keep taking up arms against “social justice warriors” in order to retain the old mentality of living under siege. A nerdy woman threatens their stranglehold on the archive, as well as Hardwick’s flimsy pretext for success: being a dude who knows a fair amount of Doctor Who trivia."

this makes me feel bad, because i'm a dude who knows a fair amount of doctor who trivia but somehow never managed to conquer the podcast world

i mean it's probably the lisp but damn, people have been calling me an underachiever since bart simpson

"He has not denied that he blocked her from having friends, socialising on her own terms, having independent interests, TALKING IN PUBLIC, nor that he extensively conspired to have her denied multiple employment opportunities after breaking up."

I thought this meant he owned up to this but from the statement I read he simply didn't address it.

yes

every time I've seen or heard Hardwick deliver Dr Who trivia he gets it entirely wrong, but that's not a matter for this thread

actually wait, I just remembered an instance where it is, but I have to catch a plane

siege mentality is an aspirational lifestyle for these guys. it's a great fantasy... convince yourself that you're at war, and suddenly the exigency of war is available for you to act without thinking, and funnily enough your reflexive strategies turn out to be congruent with your desires.

you see it in MRWs, fundamentalists, anti-immigration politicians, gun nuts, preppers, police, libertarians... everywhere.

Here is the original article that quote was from. https://melmagazine.com/chris-hardwick-and-why-geek-culture-cant-shake-its-misogyny-c9eba7eb0952

besiegers who insist they're being besieged

I first assumed due to Doctor Who context that by "Mel article" you meant an op-ed by Bonnie Langford.

Nerd culture today is consumerism as religion, harassing women from Star Wars off social media, daily revelations of abuse, & VR billionaires creating tech to crush immigrants.

Meanwhile a football player protests violence against Black people & the President mocks him.

— Aaron Stewart-Ahn (@somebadideas) June 16, 2018

He has not denied that he blocked her from having friends, socialising on her own terms, having independent interests, TALKING IN PUBLIC, nor that he extensively conspired to have her denied multiple employment opportunities after breaking up.

yeah, I have said this before but the consequences that men are afraid will happen to them are the exact same consequences that have happened to women, on the same "he said" grounds, that just happen to be wrong strikingly more often, and which happen to often permanently ruin or at least detract from their personal and professional lives. shitty, aren't they?

also this is otm: I've also seen dudes insist that nerds are the problem in a self-distancing way that seems to ignore that men are the problem.

Dunno who this is, it’s just one example of this idiotic take coming into my timeline - yes nerd culture is the worst but I wish people would stop and think for one whole second before starting with this “turns out the JOCKS were the woke ones all along haha” nonsense, like yep no rape culture in *checks notes* football, no sir
― U. K. Le Garage (wins)

countering a narrative isn't the same thing as reversing it

https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/16/17471082/amc-pulling-talking-with-chris-hardwick-talk-show-abuse-allegations

AMC has put him in the corner for the time being and he's been removed from this Comic Con panel.

insist that nerds are the problem in a self-distancing way that seems to ignore that men are the problem

That is an unfortunate imprecision of language, because it sweeps in every man, regardless of his thoughts, words or actions. As I understand it, the problem is behavior, not gender.

I get that oppressed people are not always required to speak with self-conscious precision about their oppressors. But precision and clarity do not hurt the cause of the oppressed; they can only help, imo.

Idk blunt linguistic force has a pretty good track record too

men need to stop talking about the men who are not the problem and fucking fix this (sorry aimless that’s probably not what you meant to say, but all our energy needs to go into making things better, not dwelling on exactly how many men are not to blame)

this week in melbourne a man raped and killed a woman who was walking home from a gig, and sooo much of the ensuing conversation has had a notallmen flavour to it, rather than going look, as men what can we do to stop this, how can we be role models, how can we identify enabling language/behaviours and call them out, how can we support women who just want to live their lives as safely as most men do

The only people who I would *maybe* listen to saying #notallmen are the problem are the five guys from Queer Eye, but they are too in empathetically in tune to run with that shit.

men need to stop talking about the men who are not the problem and fucking fix this

Sounds good!

But since I am a hermit who more or less sees my wife and daughter, with occasional extended family members, none of who tend to show disrespect towards women, I am perplexed how I am supposed to go about this gargantuan task. I have no intention of thrusting my attentions on strange men to determine whether they hold troglodytic views about women, and even if they did, I am not sure I have the correct force at hand required to compel them to change their minds.

This seems like the weak link in the chain that will presumably lead us to paradise.

this week in melbourne a man raped and killed a woman who was walking home from a gig, and sooo much of the ensuing conversation has had a notallmen flavour to it, rather than going look, as men what can we do to stop this, how can we be role models, how can we identify enabling language/behaviours and call them out, how can we support women who just want to live their lives as safely as most men do

― karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, June 17, 2018 1:13 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I see ppl make this argument a lot but it feels like there's a circular quality to it, "instead of going #notallmen we should be talking about what we as men can do to fix the problem" - but then in practice, the version of 'what we as men can do to fix the problem' that's being advocated is mostly chiding other men for #notallmen-ing instead of talking about what we as men can do etc etc, so you get this endless cycle of #notallmen followed by #yesallmen followed by #notallmen etc that's just empty at the centre? I guess the counterargument would be that it's just firefighting, and if you eventually did get everyone to stop with the #notallmen-ing you could finally have a meaningful conversation about what men can do instead?

(idk if this is a conversation that would be better had in another thread, though?)

Maybe women keep chiding notallmen comments because we're really, really tired of how men somehow have to make *everything* about them, including playing ally and pointing out theyre good guys, instead of just listening to us?

I am perplexed how I am supposed to go about this gargantuan task

then you could simply refrain from sealioning at women on the internet to tell them that #notallmen, as if you are explaining a new concept of which they were previously unaware

"sealion"?

"tuomas"

Keep going

Maybe women keep chiding notallmen comments because we're really, really tired of how men somehow have to make *everything* about them, including playing ally and pointing out theyre good guys, instead of just listening to us?

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 17 June 2018 14:20 (fifty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otfm, this is what i had been hoping to convey

"sealion"?

― flappy bird, Sunday, 17 June 2018 14:46 (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is a trolling tactic in which you pretend to miss someone's point and keep asking them to explain again and again and again until they give up on you, as a sort of passive-aggressive way of winning internet arguments. tbh i don't think sic used the term fairly against aimless at all.

aimless:

I am perplexed how I am supposed to go about this gargantuan task. I have no intention of thrusting my attentions on strange men to determine whether they hold troglodytic views about women

imo it's ultimately about (a) calling out misogynist/misguided bullshit when we come across it, explaining in a congenial way why it's bullshit; and (b) recognising that we should not make this about ourselves and instead fade into the background wherever possible, as trayce said; and also (c) and (d) and (e) and (f) and (g), which are various other ways we can quietly be good role models and help other people be better without making it all about us. (i want to say something about doing all this in the hope that we can get through to the sorts of men who will only listen to men, while making sure we don't trample all over the agency of women who of course are totally fine at doing all of this (because otherwise we just become a different part of the same problem), but i can't put it into words that don't sound ambiguous or fuckwitty)

soref:

so you get this endless cycle of #notallmen followed by #yesallmen followed by #notallmen etc that's just empty at the centre?

it's difficult to advocate for shutting the fuck up and fading into the background (popping up only when it's obvious we can do something to change attitudes/behaviours and/or look after victims) while also actively raising the issue in order to do so. sorry, i saw yet another notallmen forming upthread and sort of snapped a little bit.

(idk if this is a conversation that would be better had in another thread, though?)

i mean it is and it isn't, in that men's rancid behaviour is the whole reason for this thread.

but as trayce said, in general if we know when to shut up and listen, that is one of the best things we can do

IMO in this area, men shouldn’t even speak unless spoken to

Women get to tell their experiences of men’s terrible behavior

Men should wait to be called upon to answer

Just a side-note: at the place where I tutor/mentor, the volunteer pool seems to be about 5% male. If you're looking for a way to be a positive male role model for little guys before they have the chance to slide into a lifetime of shitty manhood, that's a relatively low-impact place to start.

ftr I wasn't accusing Aimless of wilfull trolling, but bursting into the thread in June 2018 to explain that actually, #notallmen - especially after a professional writer who is a woman quoted a man who had not been challenged for his original post - is aggressively obtuse.

way overdue but at least it got done

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-northwestern-university-bill-cosby-honorary-degree-20180618-story.html

Maynard James Keenan?

Deep breath. I have to anonymously tell this story because I tried to tell it from my real account and couldn't name him directly out of fear, so I deleted the tweets. Here goes: I was 17 and he was 36. 1/

— Iwas17HeWas36 (@IWas17HeWas36) June 23, 2018

Junot Diaz gives a very lawyered-up, crisis-PR-ed up interview.