In retrospect, Eminem kind of sucks right?

I mean he's not the greatest or anything don't get me wrong but for people to be "oh he sucked" I mean like only if you hate good rapping

Yeah I can even understand not liking the content of his rhymes or his voice, that's whatever, but to deny his talent as a technician is ridiculous

not liking is voice = lol subjective whatever

not liking the content of is rhymes = lol youre an idiot

what content? nothing of his ever really spoke to me on any level

There's talent as a technician and there's not being like sandpaper to the eardrums.

I don't deny that he's very good at wordplay and stuff of that nature, but I don't see him as some sort of MASTER TECHNICIAN either

MASTER DEBATER. maybe

wordplay & his ability to pull it off was like 90% of his game

what it takes for a rapper to be great = speaking to brainwasher on some level

in retrospect, he's great, same as the first time around. so's Encore.

what does that have to do with him sucking again? who talks about rap in technical terms like that anwyay?

what it takes for a rapper to be great = speaking to brainwasher on some level

-- max, Friday, July 18, 2008 4:20 AM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

well, um, yeah duh.

his persona is great. his weaving of textual levels is great. his pop sense is great.

what does that have to do with him sucking again? who talks about rap in technical terms like that anwyay?

-- The Brainwasher, Friday, July 18, 2008 4:21 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

"technical terms" = HE IS A GOOD WRITER WHO DELIVERS LINES IN AN INTERESTING FASHION

THIS IS CALLED "RAPPING"

I'm too lazy to do it right now, but someone should link to some of those old videos of him in the final stages of various rap-battle competitions. 8 Mile having Disneyfied that aspect of his early years to the point where "the battle-rapping Eminem story" is somewhat groan-inducing, it is easy to overlook utterly he eclipsed his real-life opponents back in the day.

overlook "how" utterly

first 2 1/2 albums are classic. and i still think it was some of the weirdest top 40 music ever.

but we're at about the normal cyclical nadir here, 10 years out, so the timing of this thread is right.

no, "technical terms" = ZOMG HE'S SUCH A MASTER TECHNICIAN, YOU MAY NOT LIKE HIM BUT YOU CAN'T DENY HIS TECHNICAL RAPPING SKILLS OBJECTIVELY as if technique is disconnected from style/voice/content/etc. Him being "technically amazing" doesn't make him a good or interesting rapper

Like seriously Brainwasher I'm saying: lots of strawburban kids connected w/Em cause he hated his parents and authority and tended to escape into fantasy like a lotta kids feel they're 15 and disaffected. You were never fucked up and 15? Good work. That doesn't mean Em's rhymes weren't acrobatically vivid.

I'm out for now but back later tho

lose yourself was one of his best songs easily

i dunno if thats a challop or not but im thinking maybe it is?

dude brainwasher can/did you srsly listen to for example 'without me' without lolling inwardly or outwardly about 5x times or more? xps

dude brainwasher can/did you srsly listen to for example 'without me' without lolling inwardly or outwardly about 5x times or more? xps

-- deeznuts, Friday, July 18, 2008 4:29 AM (16 seconds ago)

I said that there are some Em songs that I like, his lOLOLZ waCKY singles liek 'without me' and ' my name is' and 'real slim shady' are cool for what they are, loved them at the time they came out and there are other assorted singles and deep cuts of his that i like but I'm just speaking overall.. I don't think he's worthy of the praise he gets and a lot of his stuff is kind of embarassing when you listen to it now even though it was cool when i was in 5th grade or whenever "my name is" came out

Wow. This thread is almost 100% wrong. Eminem is classic and his albums (though only half of Encore) still hold up really well. Funny, entertaining, catchy stuff.

he's a good rapper but i don't like his music much
which is what i think a lot of the haters here are saying

always disliked Em's voice & flow

i hear those first two records as kind of out of like a zappa/beefheart (or kool keith, say) gonzo continuum, a lot of it still sounds kind of fucked up to me. "bonnie and clyde '97," "kill you," "kim," even "cleaning out my closet" (which is admittedly where things turned mawkish), it's pretty screwy. and the cuter songs have plenty of bizarro twists and turns too. i think his just plain weirdness is underrated.

i mean, i don't listen to "kim" much and never did, but when i do it doesn't sound ... like fred durst.

and i think it's one of the best murder ballads ever, but it's unpleasant to sit through.

dude is easier to take in the context of 16 bars on a d12 posse cut than whole tracks where he wont stfu about britney spears and being famous and shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgg2hHHtAsA

^^^^ i ride out to this

i pretty much don't like him cause he's always got this ugh man i'm just so fucking troubled, you wouldn't understand look
http://www.stuffwelike.com/stuffwelike/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/eminem.jpg

Remember when Eminem was America's bad boy? Simpler times.

burt_stanton is now public enemy #1

cheer up, doofus
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/020520/103220__eminem_l.jpg

dude is easier to take in the context of 16 bars on a d12 posse cut than whole tracks where he wont stfu about britney spears and being famous and shit

-- and what

who gives a shit what hes talking about as long as he talks it well?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhfTl43ZV-I

^^^ big lolz back when this dropped

clean up your room, marshall
http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/eminem2r2ck.jpg

what a shitty track

wil the real slim shaddy please stand up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HxiAamcHa8

even though he bit this verse from royce i still fux w/it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moMAorIEGXY

yall cant see me like ma$es eyebrows

classic underground ish with masta ace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdS4ln9N3vs

http://www.hiphoprx.com/content/uploads/2007/07/eminem-headshot-grey.jpghttp://www.truthwinsout.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/obama.jpg

When he's talking serious shit his flow tends to get stuck in this monotone rut that is far less interesting than his surreal, D-12ish stuff, which has a more fluid, free style to it (both in terms of flow and in wordplay/content). As his career went on he got more into the former and that got boring real quick for me. Those first two albums are classic though.

I'm with John and Hoos, he wasn't really for everyone but you have to give him credit for being a really talented and creative rapper. Comparing him to Fred Durst is lunacy.

At what, 10 years old (?), I really loved "My Name Is" because it was super catchy. I liked it again in junior high because I thought the lyrics were funny. I stopped listening to Eminem until now, at 18, and it turns out I adore it even more because a) it is catchy, b) the lyrics are funny and c) jesus christ, it's twisted. i always wrote the song off as a clever list of celebrity jabs, but then when i start paying attention to lines like "99 percent of my life i was lied to" it finally hits me that this guy is actually a much more complex person than i ever gave him credit for...Really interesting rapper!

You were 10 years old when that came out? I'm ancient. I remember selling blank CDs in highschool of Eminem's Marshal Mathers whatever in 2000 when I found it on some mp3 FTP site (this was just a little before Napster, that's how you did it... all on a modem). People paid me $20 for that crap; people also had no idea what blank CDs were.

lol @ people arguing about Eminem in 2008