intentionally?
― stephen, Saturday, 31 May 2008 14:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh my god if Cocteaus could ever forgive you
Meanie!
Tell the X Mal Deutschland fans to go fuck it all.
Cocteaus happiness.Quisquose.
I'm gonna sic the vinyl on your ass. I'm trying to peaceful, but...sorry.
EAT THE VINYL
EAT IT
Oh shit
― With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Sunday, 4 January 2009 08:34 (fifteen years ago) link
In a certain celebrity mailout this appeared...
'The reason the Cocteau Twins' comeback last year didn't happen is because even though Robin Guthrie and Liz Fraser had put their differences to the side (clue - £££££) Liz insisted that her partner be the drummer on the tour. Fine.
All was going well until Robin got pissed, looked through the tour expenses and saw that Liz's partner was getting paid a bit more than the other hired hands. He went batshit mental, rang up Liz and told her that this was outrageous and that he shouldn't even be getting paid AT ALL as Liz was making money and so her partner "didn't need to be paid".
Liz basically said (in indecipherable made-up language no doubt) she couldn't take this and if Robin was kicking off even before the tour started, it could only get worse. So she walked and that was it - reunion over. She apparently walked away from "millions".
― If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate (aldo), Friday, 24 July 2009 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Good for her.
― Masonic Boom, Friday, 24 July 2009 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I can understand being annoyed that he's making MORE than others but not getting paid AT ALL? Fuck that.
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 13:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Not getting paid at all, says an anonymous secondhand source.
― Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Friday, 24 July 2009 14:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah there's an obvious grain of salt there but still.
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Give 'em a couple more years when they need to pay their mortgages, they'll come around.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 24 July 2009 14:04 (fourteen years ago) link
I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually Guthrie's reaction. He always came across as socially retarded.
― Turangalila, Friday, 24 July 2009 14:19 (fourteen years ago) link
A story on Ms. Fraser in the Guardian the other day:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/nov/26/cocteau-twins-elizabeth-fraser-interview
And we do all grow older:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Music/Pix/pictures/2009/11/26/1259231936986/Elizabeth-Fraser-Cocteau--001.jpg
Looks v. elegant!
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link
She's been offered sums "beyond your wildest dreams" to collaborate with other artists – "the weirdest one was Linkin Park"
The hell.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link
The new song sadly sounds too much like Gotan Project but her voice is still awesome.
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Which is all you need, really. (Well, maybe.)
Article's a little wrong at points when it comes to her musical silence -- for instance, she appeared (briefly) on the first two Lord of the Rings film scores, as apparently both Howard Shore and Fran Welsh were major Cocteaus fans, and she's specifically namechecked by both of them in the DVD documentaries, etc. etc.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
And of course this was beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRq7FxiSmxY
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Saturday, 28 November 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I'll take any excuse to repost this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaOlNfC8_xQ
― sleeve, Saturday, 28 November 2009 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link
LOL just saw this.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link
The...hell.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Article's a little wrong at points when it comes to her musical silence -- for instance, she appeared (briefly) on the first two Lord of the Rings film scores
Yeah I noticed that error too, his claim she "only" did the Massive Attack album. Crap! She also worked with FSOL, Yann Tiersen, and Peter Gabriel (her work on the Millenium Dome album is lovely).
― hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Is her single available somewhere online, the RT website or something?
Oh and she did that gorgeous song with the Bathers!
― hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbPhJPY1iKc
― hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Hahaha that Cocteau Madness video is amazing.
Reading back through the thread it seems like "not liking Cocteau Twins" was the mid 80s/early 90s equivalent of "not liking Radiohead".
― Daruton, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Actually maybe it still is.
Really? I rarely come across people who vehemently dislike them or think theyre not cool to like. I do come across peopel whove not heard them though, or are indifferent.
― hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link
I dunno. With advent of the internets and it being so easy to be a music "expert" they're arguably more popular than ever, with which comes the inevitable backlash viz "They're so unanimously liked that I intensify what would otherwise be indifference to their music" &c.
― Daruton, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link
That clip up is so o_0 in ways I can't actually articulate. It's almost like a parallel universe or something.
― Lostandfound, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTx8VnZBvDc
― les yeux sans aerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Monday, 19 July 2010 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
some things are better not explained it seems
― iPrincess 2.0 (electricsound), Monday, 19 July 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
This isnt stuff I didnt already know (the stuff about random dictionary words and whatnot). She's said that heaps of times.
― Gumbercules (Trayce), Monday, 19 July 2010 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link
OOh she's never actually read'em out before though! haha! That was amusing.
I did know that a few songs were like, lists of scientific insect names and stuff.
― Gumbercules (Trayce), Monday, 19 July 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
so I just found out that "Memory Gongs" off Moon and the Melodies is a Harold Budd track called "Flowered Knife Shadows (for Simon Raymonde)" with a couple of gongs dubbed over the beginning?
― Pauls to the Wall (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 March 2011 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Is it? I should track that down and compare em. I was just listening to M&tM yesteday funnily enough.
― gnarly gnarlingtons in my life (Trayce), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez_ULa7PI8s
― Pauls to the Wall (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow its exactly the damn same.
― gnarly gnarlingtons in my life (Trayce), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
It's from a Budd album of the same year I think so fair enough but the 2 different titles is an oddity. As I said, "Memory Gongs" has gongs and that's the diff.
― Pauls to the Wall (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah it was "Lovely Thunder", right?
― gnarly gnarlingtons in my life (Trayce), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
k so this is one of those things where i bought 'heaven & las vegas' on cassette in like 1993 and really dug it but for never reason never sought out another album. now, many years later, i feel like it's time for a second cocteaus album. what shall it be?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:47 (twelve years ago) link
Victorialand. Don't bother with the goth shit or the last couple.
― red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
Victorialand or Blue Bell Knoll
― Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link
I'd say "whichever one you see first".
I've recently come to the conclusion that they're probably one my top three bands of all time.
― Mary Steamvirgin (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
cocteau twins, smash mouth, sugar ray
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:03 (twelve years ago) link
Swap out Sugar Ray (fourth) with Crazy Town and you pegged it.
― Mary Steamvirgin (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:14 (twelve years ago) link
s1ocki: get Milk and Kisses, Garlands and Victorialand; IMO those three along with Heaven & Las Vegas are the essential Cocteau albums
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
Treasure and Heaven Or Las Vegas are my favourite, by far.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
I really thought Treasure was the acknowledged masterpiece?
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
Victorialand is my fave album, along with Head Over Heels. Lots of their EP's are essential though, especially Love's Easy Tears and Aikea-Guinea.
― LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
Am gonna post this on the rolling Bandcamp/free albums thread, but this band Ahsrae Fax put out a pretty great Cocteaus-ish record in 2002 called "Static Crash". They were a little ahead/out of their time, and seemed to play with a lot of noise bands, but they were great live and super nice folks. Can't recommend this record enough, good female vox, synths, textured guitars etc.:
http://ashraefax.bandcamp.com/album/static-crash
― grandavis, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
yeah treasure WTF, if you only have two get treasure and heaven or las vegas.
― akm, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
I'd happily recommend one of their singles collections or the BBC sessions to a newbie. Even their compilations are fantastic (and some of their non-LP tracks are among their very best).
― Michael J. Fuxxx (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
'the pink opaque' is a good early years overview if you don't know that stuff very well
― althea and (donna rouge), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link