the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

I see Liam Fox is trotting out all his Negotiation With Jack Donaghy moves again.

If someone walks away from a normal negotiation then both parties are in the same position they were at the start. Literally everyone knows that manifestly isn't the case here.

xpost it runs too often to toothlessness imo

there are larger problems w Newsnight than Davis though. the viewing figures are low enough now that the government simply doesn't turn up to the show. it's been many months afaict. and it's had a ripple effect. they just never seem to have the people who really know what the hell is going on. they have all these peripheral types instead. structurally they appear to have abandoned even the faintest simulation of journalistic balance. they'll have three people all on the same side of an issue. and they continue to run these inane cultural packages at the end of the show. it's like the show is being run by morons.

Privatise, privatise, privatise !

After the Tory remainer rebels have been whipped into line, they don't seem to have made any discernible difference to the Brexit dialogue at all. Yet more No Deal faux hardman talk from Fox doesn't make it seem like they've won any concessions at all.

doesn't

I mean whatever private promises May made to get them in line about having a "meaningful vote" is completely undermined by Fox/BJ's shittalking.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/heathrow-expansion-third-runway-rich-benefits-business-a8412121.html

“Our research shows that demand for new runway capacity has nothing to do with business travel to emerging economies, or new domestic routes between London and Scotland. The drive to expand Heathrow is fundamentally about catering to the whims of an elite group of wealthy frequent leisure flyers, many of whom are travelling to second homes in Europe dozens of times a year."

lol this is a Civil Aviation Authority quote, not Corbz or McDonnell.

FBPEs on the march:

Blairites saying the government has to listen to a demonstration. Classic https://t.co/ebTPlnDwR2

— Edmund Griffiths (@EdmundGriffiths) June 23, 2018

this fuckin guy

lol can't we give them the Isle of Wight or something and see how they get on?

6 months later... *camera pans across post-apocalyptic wasteland full of fluttering tatters of EU flags, local artisanal traders*

More tears:

Jeremy's in Jordan. When he should be representing his own people and supporting them, he decided to go to Za'atari as far away from #PeoplesVoteMarch as possible, but looking good as it's a refugee camp. But his own people need him as BREXIT is ruining the country. Hiding out! pic.twitter.com/EKf4hL3awe

— Janet #FBPE Starkey-Young #NO BREXIT (@ahimsaveganism) June 23, 2018

Really enjoying the world cup and didn't want to bring this nonsense up but y'know.

they need a software update, or maybe some drugs!

this is the passion and commitment that transformed the country under the Blair government

remember when Gordon Brown subsidized low paying employers thru the easily accessible tax credit scheme and poverty was wiped out for a generation

this is why we fight

give me middle class comfort under the EU or give me death

is that Nolan's version of Why We Fight?

Corbyn is just gone to a refugee camp to "look good" - is there now ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER this man is voted LEAVE?!?!

he should at least prove he voted remain by being a flag waving vulgarian for a day!

Why does Corbyn hate democracy?

The real question is what did he have written on the back of his kagoule.

The party of business...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/23/eu-diplomats-shocked-boriss-four-letter-reply-business-concerns/

Foreign Secretary turns Trotskyite punk rocker, on page 8 of ⁦@Telegraph⁩. The fate of so many Old Etonians pic.twitter.com/nTc992Djdo

— Robert Peston (@Peston) June 23, 2018

Anthony Barnett does a good job of making regulation really interesting here. the ongoing brexit gridlock has revealed how contentious and barely articulated our ideas about democracy and sovereignty are

https://www.opendemocracy.net/anthony-barnett/why-brexit-won-t-work-eu-is-about-regulation-not-sovereignty

Will a steamroller do instead of a bulldozer? This fucking guy...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/wheres-boris-johnson-tory-dodges-12785465

This seems like it should be huger. When Farage "conceded" right out the bat on Brexit night it's pretty clear he already knew they'd likely won, and that his pals would make a shit-ton out of him misleading the market

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/brexit-big-short-how-pollsters-helped-hedge-funds-beat-the-crash

Haven't read the whole thing, but if Farage didn't personally financially benefit is there anything they can hang on him?

When the Conservative Party burns up upon entering the post-Brexit atmosphere, "fuck business" is going to be its epitaph.

I definitely called that "Farage Declaration" the morning after he made it.

I'd been hovering about buying some (bona-fide) euros for a trip we were making the day after, but when he said 'we've lost' and the pound value went up I was ah, get them tomorrow. Of course, by the morning the Euro price had gone up and I was all oh. It didn't matter greatly, it was about a tenner in it. But still, I guessed that if you happened to know, and passed the message onto Farage "Hey, it's been lost, tell everyone" wel.....

I'm more surprised it's taken them this long for the powers that be to clock it!

glad to see Boris, Unite and a third of the PLP all really feel for the convenience of wealthy frequent flyers with 2nd homes to fly to, many of whom in a paradoxical manner might live in some of the places like Richmond that will cop a bit of the extra air/noise pollution!

The PM’s own constituency will also be affected.

Theresa May’s leaflet to her Maidenhead constituents: A third runway at Heathrow would be a “major blow... I will fight to stop the third runway.” pic.twitter.com/POtzTNKvXZ

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) June 25, 2018

The Labour MPs supporting this are exactly the same ones as you’d expect.

A bunch of them are a comfortable distance from anywhere directly affected, until the sea levels rise, but want more capacity for domestic flights connecting to Heathrow.

Isn’t a lot of the opposition to Heathrow (besides obvious climate reasons) that it will draw away traffic from northern and midlands airports? The government’s own research says that Manchester, Birmingham and Leeds will be worst affected.

Depends where you are. Some airports not have direct connecting access to a major hub - Liverpool for example (Luciana Berger is one of the most vocal proponents) doesn’t connect anywhere useful if you want to go long-haul. The idea is that Liverpool, Bristol, etc, might get domestic connections to Heathrow if Heathrow has additional capacity.

The idea of flying from London to Bristol is completely absurd.

By the time you've got to Heathrow, gone through security and waited to board you'd be most of the way there from Central London. And that's before you consider the environmental factors.

It is - though I’d assume the idea is that the only people flying to Bristol would be ones with a connection in London rather than using it as a starting point.

At present if you are in Liverpool and want to fly to, idk, Addis Ababa, you have to get the train to Manchester (1 hr). If you want to fly to Buenos Aires, you’d have to get the train to Manchester and get a connecting flight to Heathrow and then on to Argentina.

The idea is that flights between London and Liverpool would allow you to cut out that initial hour-long train ride.

BA, of course, are highly unlikely to waste slots on short shuttle services however many you give them.

Read a tweet that said Germany have finished builing a high speed line from Berlin to Munich and they are closing down two international airports (not sure if one is following from the other here).

They were supposed closing Tegel and Schonefeld and replacing it with a new airport, Btandenberg. Budgeted at £2.3 billion and scheduled to open in 2011 it remains nowhere near completion and has cost £10.1 billion so far.

That's not very efficient. And look at the state of their centre backs.

The idea of flying from London to Bristol is completely absurd.

― Matt DC, Monday, June 25, 2018 12:00 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

By the time you've got to Heathrow, gone through security and waited to board you'd be most of the way there from Central London. And that's before you consider the environmental factors.

― Matt DC, Monday, June 25, 2018 12:01 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fwiw as someone who just visited the uk from california with a baby in tow, i would have paid any money for connecting flights from heathrow to an airport near sheffield and an airport in the southwest. they existed, but only if we spent 8 hours waiting at the airport (and in one case change terminal). getting from heathrow to cities not directly accessible from paddington is not easy right now. transportation policy should obviously not be designed to make my life easier (or SHOULD it), but if the goal is to build up regional economies, more domestic flights makes sense to me. not clear a 3rd runway would do that of course.

Whenever someone tells you about German efficiency you can talk about the airport or the Elbphilharmonie in Hamburg - budgeted at £200m to open in 2011 it opened last year and cost £780m.

The thing is these one stop connecting opportunities to the world do exist from British regional airports, they just route through Dublin, Dubai, Amsterdam etc.

Rather than encouraging connections through Heathrow, better train links to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham Airports would serve everyone better.

Based on wikipedia there is almost no major city on the planet that can’t be reached within 1 stop from Manchester today.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Airport

better train links to and from Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham Airports would serve everyone better. - fixed