the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

I definitely called that "Farage Declaration" the morning after he made it.

I'd been hovering about buying some (bona-fide) euros for a trip we were making the day after, but when he said 'we've lost' and the pound value went up I was ah, get them tomorrow. Of course, by the morning the Euro price had gone up and I was all oh. It didn't matter greatly, it was about a tenner in it. But still, I guessed that if you happened to know, and passed the message onto Farage "Hey, it's been lost, tell everyone" wel.....

I'm more surprised it's taken them this long for the powers that be to clock it!

glad to see Boris, Unite and a third of the PLP all really feel for the convenience of wealthy frequent flyers with 2nd homes to fly to, many of whom in a paradoxical manner might live in some of the places like Richmond that will cop a bit of the extra air/noise pollution!

The PM’s own constituency will also be affected.

Theresa May’s leaflet to her Maidenhead constituents: A third runway at Heathrow would be a “major blow... I will fight to stop the third runway.” pic.twitter.com/POtzTNKvXZ

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) June 25, 2018

The Labour MPs supporting this are exactly the same ones as you’d expect.

A bunch of them are a comfortable distance from anywhere directly affected, until the sea levels rise, but want more capacity for domestic flights connecting to Heathrow.

Isn’t a lot of the opposition to Heathrow (besides obvious climate reasons) that it will draw away traffic from northern and midlands airports? The government’s own research says that Manchester, Birmingham and Leeds will be worst affected.

Depends where you are. Some airports not have direct connecting access to a major hub - Liverpool for example (Luciana Berger is one of the most vocal proponents) doesn’t connect anywhere useful if you want to go long-haul. The idea is that Liverpool, Bristol, etc, might get domestic connections to Heathrow if Heathrow has additional capacity.

The idea of flying from London to Bristol is completely absurd.

By the time you've got to Heathrow, gone through security and waited to board you'd be most of the way there from Central London. And that's before you consider the environmental factors.

It is - though I’d assume the idea is that the only people flying to Bristol would be ones with a connection in London rather than using it as a starting point.

At present if you are in Liverpool and want to fly to, idk, Addis Ababa, you have to get the train to Manchester (1 hr). If you want to fly to Buenos Aires, you’d have to get the train to Manchester and get a connecting flight to Heathrow and then on to Argentina.

The idea is that flights between London and Liverpool would allow you to cut out that initial hour-long train ride.

BA, of course, are highly unlikely to waste slots on short shuttle services however many you give them.

Read a tweet that said Germany have finished builing a high speed line from Berlin to Munich and they are closing down two international airports (not sure if one is following from the other here).

They were supposed closing Tegel and Schonefeld and replacing it with a new airport, Btandenberg. Budgeted at £2.3 billion and scheduled to open in 2011 it remains nowhere near completion and has cost £10.1 billion so far.

That's not very efficient. And look at the state of their centre backs.

The idea of flying from London to Bristol is completely absurd.

― Matt DC, Monday, June 25, 2018 12:00 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

By the time you've got to Heathrow, gone through security and waited to board you'd be most of the way there from Central London. And that's before you consider the environmental factors.

― Matt DC, Monday, June 25, 2018 12:01 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fwiw as someone who just visited the uk from california with a baby in tow, i would have paid any money for connecting flights from heathrow to an airport near sheffield and an airport in the southwest. they existed, but only if we spent 8 hours waiting at the airport (and in one case change terminal). getting from heathrow to cities not directly accessible from paddington is not easy right now. transportation policy should obviously not be designed to make my life easier (or SHOULD it), but if the goal is to build up regional economies, more domestic flights makes sense to me. not clear a 3rd runway would do that of course.

Whenever someone tells you about German efficiency you can talk about the airport or the Elbphilharmonie in Hamburg - budgeted at £200m to open in 2011 it opened last year and cost £780m.

The thing is these one stop connecting opportunities to the world do exist from British regional airports, they just route through Dublin, Dubai, Amsterdam etc.

Rather than encouraging connections through Heathrow, better train links to Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham Airports would serve everyone better.

Based on wikipedia there is almost no major city on the planet that can’t be reached within 1 stop from Manchester today.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Airport

better train links to and from Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham Airports would serve everyone better. - fixed

For sure

we've got Tracy Brabin fighting for better bus links between Batley and Leeds up here, so that Northern something-house might have to wait another 20 years!

canceling a £1.3bn energy project in wales on the same day as voting through a £16bn runway for london is the worst possible look.

state of the SNP here

absolutely shocking.

They were supposed closing Tegel and Schonefeld and replacing it with a new airport, Btandenberg. Budgeted at £2.3 billion and scheduled to open in 2011 it remains nowhere near completion and has cost £10.1 billion so far.

― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Monday, 25 June 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, we are so doomed.

i would have paid any money for connecting flights from heathrow to an airport near sheffield and an airport in the southwest. they existed, but only if we spent 8 hours waiting at the airport (and in one case change terminal). getting from heathrow to cities not directly accessible from paddington is not easy right now. transportation policy should obviously not be designed to make my life easier (or SHOULD it), but if the goal is to build up regional economies, more domestic flights makes sense to me. not clear a 3rd runway would do that of course.

So you can go on the tube to Paddington or St Pancras and get from there to Bristol or Sheffield direct?

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Anyway, construction starts in 2021? If we get a Labour Left government or Brexit destroys the economy I am guessing this could be put on hold?

I don't think it will happen at any rate.

This seems like the kind of big-ticket infrastructure project that they can semi-plausibly argue makes Britain more competitive in a brave new Brexit world but has the short term benefit of cushioning the inevitable job losses in construction, engineering, etc, etc. Unless Labour gets in, I can’t see a tanking economy putting it on hold.

what does this all mean for HS2?

and I guess if we get the worst of Brexit it would difficult for any new Administration to stop this. Unless the UK was hit by a major climate change type event, of course.

Only 19% believe May's claim 'Brexit dividend' will largely fund extra £20bn for NHS, Guardian/ICM poll suggests - https://t.co/isMaV30Tbv pic.twitter.com/71OXUhJogB

— AndrewSparrow (@AndrewSparrow) June 26, 2018

Nearly half of ppl polled expect some sort of Brexit dividend oh my days

Polls like that are the height of bullshit in all directions tho. How many of the respondents have any meaningful knowledge of government finances? Their opinions are worthless.

I'd say this is the kind of thing holding up the Tory vote. Until its actually seen to not happen.

Yeah sorry I guess the point is a snapshot of what people believe rather than the tenuous reasons for holding those beliefs

last time I had an iPSOS/Mori tool at my door I deliberately started giving random answers to knack up his data when I took a dislike to him. I'm just totally out of control sometimes!

How many of the respondents have any meaningful knowledge of government finances? Their opinions are worthless.

Good thing George Osborne constantly indulged in false and ludicrous comparisons like “maxing out the nation’s credit card” then!

This is just people desperate to believe - they’re different from the Leave voters previously recorded as saying “we should leave even if I/my family suffer job loss as a result”. Don’t know if it makes them easier to reach or more difficult though.

hellworld continues to deliver

I’d like to welcome @PrisonPlanet, Sargon of Akkad, @CountDankulaTV and Milo Yiannopoulos to UKIP. I look forward to them developing truly dank memes that will trigger lefty luvvies like @GaryLineker, @mrjamesob and their politically correct establishment chums. Onwards! pic.twitter.com/OI1bIJQ9Qz

— Neil Hamilton AC/AM (@NeilUKIP) June 26, 2018

No.

and yet... yes

I

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i'd heard abt them joining but this tweet is the finisher

nothing more wearisomely myopic and self-absorbed than apocalyptic thinking, but

these are the end times

End times for UKIP, for sure.

looks like Milo and Dankula were unable to make the photoshoot, but

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgaLKmDWsAA2lYW.jpg

surely Hamilton's PA dropping "dank memes" can only alienate the amoral
pate me bourgeois youth wing of the alt right

Imagine how vile you have to be to have invited Mussolini’s granddaughter to Britain and supported apartheid - and yet still be despised by both Nigel Farage and Arron Banks.

shame he didn't drop a donk instead xp

Just imagining Brain Force Max getting on QT in the UKIP chair. Fuck everything.

Neil Hamilton outed as Worst Blobby