felt a tiny bit younger than that here. Maybe somewhere 25 to 35? 25-45?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 June 2018 20:51 (five years ago) link
https://splinternews.com/at-families-belong-together-marches-this-is-what-dem-1827262000
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 30 June 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link
It was fucking fantastic. Hot as heck, but the vibe was positive, lots of socializing and commiserating and hope.
Shout out to chill Antifa crew hoisting a huge banner and supplying free bottled water in an ice chest
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 30 June 2018 20:54 (five years ago) link
Went to the Queens March but was late due to baby nap. Hit it at the end where a small crowd was gathered in a park in Corona. Got to hear Ocasio-Cortez speak so at least I’ll be able to tell that to my grandchildren.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 30 June 2018 23:33 (five years ago) link
WASHINGTON — U.S. intelligence agencies believe that North Korea has increased its production of fuel for nuclear weapons at multiple secret sites in recent months — and that Kim Jong Un may try to hide those facilities as he seeks more concessions in nuclear talks with the Trump administration, U.S. officials told NBC News.The intelligence assessment, which has not previously been reported, seems to counter the sentiments expressed by President Donald Trump, who tweeted after his historic June 12 summit with Kim that "there was no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea."
The intelligence assessment, which has not previously been reported, seems to counter the sentiments expressed by President Donald Trump, who tweeted after his historic June 12 summit with Kim that "there was no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea."
this is unsurprising and still foreboding
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 1 July 2018 05:57 (five years ago) link
jesus
― cr.ht (crüt), Sunday, 1 July 2018 06:11 (five years ago) link
Enh
― Simon H., Sunday, 1 July 2018 06:22 (five years ago) link
Color me skeptical when it comes to US intelligence services and reporting on other countries' movements
― Simon H., Sunday, 1 July 2018 06:25 (five years ago) link
It’s in line with what pretty much every NK and arms proliferation expert predicted.
What a nutter. 1) Open-source information corroborates IC claims. 2) In 2017, the IC repeatedly leaked administration plans to launch preventive strikes on NK in order to prevent them--hardly a "war-hawk bureaucracy" move. 3) NK has not agreed to give up nukes https://t.co/tlKqyQJE2O— Van Jackson (@WonkVJ) June 30, 2018
The claims the intel community is making are reasonable, predictable--because the Kim summit was a rhetorical show, not a deal for denuclearization, and because North Korea has no theory of security without nukes. Of course North Korea's going do what it can to retain nukes— Van Jackson (@WonkVJ) June 30, 2018
Beware the claims of anyone who spends their time trying to discredit the work of Trump's enemies--you know, mainstream journalism and public servants— Van Jackson (@WonkVJ) June 30, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 1 July 2018 08:25 (five years ago) link
Simon, there's a fundamental difference compared to Iraq in that it goes against what the government is saying. Pet peeve but blaming the WMD lies on intelligence really lets Rumsfeld and Cheney etc off the hook.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 1 July 2018 08:26 (five years ago) link
Also, fuck Glenn Greenwald.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 1 July 2018 08:28 (five years ago) link
Still I’m in the weird place of rooting for Trump to just ignore it (and John Bolton and Lindsey Graham) completely instead of lashing out and acting betrayed.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 1 July 2018 08:29 (five years ago) link
yeah, otm
― Frederik B, Sunday, 1 July 2018 08:31 (five years ago) link
1 in 120 is displaced or asylum seeking. Christ
― Garden variety uncouth (Ross), Sunday, 1 July 2018 08:44 (five years ago) link
― Simon H., Sunday, July 1, 2018 2:25 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I mean I understand being skeptical but if there's any party for whom you should reserve even more skepticism than US intelligence services it's fucking North Korea
― cr.ht (crüt), Sunday, 1 July 2018 12:46 (five years ago) link
Whether it’s correct or not is almost immaterial. DPRK is under no obligation to stop its nuclear programme, aiui, just as the US is under no obligation to delay the opening of the $11bn base in Pyeongtaek or lift sanctions. The agreement reached, as far as I know, was for DPRK to halt test fires and the US to step back from military exercises deemed ‘provocative’ in the short term - with a pact to negotiate further de-escalation. That negotiation is likely to cover things like stopping work on some elements of the nuclear programme and declaring / opening up sites to international inspection in return for sanctions relief and other stuff, but that is all TBC.
Leaving Greenwald aside, the criticism I’ve seen of the leak / framing of the report from people like Tim Shorrock is the suspicion it has been put out there to make the second phase of discussion less likely - by framing DPRK as bad actors (which they are) and Trump as a rube (which he is), it is aiming to turn public opinion against the only viable route to an imperfect peace accord.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 1 July 2018 13:02 (five years ago) link
You've really got it backward if you think whether or not it's correct is immaterial, while free speculation as to the motives of the leaks is the real story.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 1 July 2018 13:09 (five years ago) link
Neither story is particularly huge - DPRK continues to do what they have always done pending further discussion, some sources who don’t like the proposed negotiations leak stuff to the press. It doesn’t have a gigantic bearing on the discussions either way.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 1 July 2018 13:15 (five years ago) link
No, you're right. But the story about DPRK continuing to work on their nuclear program is at least a story, since Trump lied about them doing so. And for some reason, there was a discussion in a lot of media I read whether or not he should be credited for that bluster. The intention behind the leaks is unknown, and is not even a story.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 1 July 2018 13:32 (five years ago) link
good mourning!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 July 2018 13:34 (five years ago) link
we had a bit of confusion in Boston so some of us who intended to be trained for the civil disobedience action at South Bay Detention center ended up at a sign-making meeting instead. So ... it was arts-and-crafts activism for me this time!
The action itself went ok it seems. About twenty arrested ... all released by 3ish this morning. Onwards!
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Sunday, 1 July 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
so there was kind of a 'riot' in Portland
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2018/06/portland_police_revoke_permit.htm
also, eff Frederik
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 July 2018 15:10 (five years ago) link
got a 404 on that link?
"riot" = fascists beating protestors with flagpoles
― sleeve, Sunday, 1 July 2018 15:13 (five years ago) link
sorry
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2018/06/portland_police_revoke_permit.html
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 July 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link
paintballs filled with pepper spray? That's a new one to me. I admire your creativity, Portland Police.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 1 July 2018 16:06 (five years ago) link
i know this isn't surprising at this point, but it's still startling to see them side-by-side
He didn’t even bother to delete the old one pic.twitter.com/A47TuOFfNS— Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) June 30, 2018
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 1 July 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
It’s not though! It’s not remotely startling, covfefe. Can we make the July thread into less of a mess of dumbfoundedness at the “world burning down?” Duh, of course it is. To the extent our systems allow it to. Also if you talk about trump winning re-election please punch yourself in the genitalia Where are the 1987 Korea style protests demanding direct popular elections?
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 1 July 2018 17:00 (five years ago) link
wrt anyone using Iraq as a frame of reference for “this is the deep state trying to undermine the president’s peace plan” theories
Brief, remedial class on the drive to war in Iraq: The invasion was pushed by political appointees in the Bush admin who manipulated raw intelligence, previously discounted by analysts, and created a whole new intelligence office to out-hawk what they viewed as a "liberal" CIA.— Charles Davis (@charliearchy) July 1, 2018
"The agency, called the Office of Special Plans (OSP), was set up by the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, to second-guess CIA information." https://t.co/HyZgVjygqH— Charles Davis (@charliearchy) July 1, 2018
Meanwhile, as McClatchy reported in 2002, anonymous "U.S. intelligence officials said evidence actually suggested that Saddam had been careful to keep al Qaida at arms' length to avoid giving Bush an excuse to invade Iraq." https://t.co/kS34X66Lfy— Charles Davis (@charliearchy) July 1, 2018
But some people believed the White House, seeing the CIA as a den of liberals determined to undermine an elected president's foreign policy.— Charles Davis (@charliearchy) July 1, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 1 July 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
If the IC had been as bad and deceitful as Greenwald/Simon says, that Colin Powell presentation would have been a lot more impressive.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 1 July 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
I wasn't trying to make a direct Iraq parallel fwiw - my distrust of / wariness towards US intelligence services is more general.
― Simon H., Sunday, 1 July 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
We can tell. Your aptitude as a generalist is undisputed
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 1 July 2018 17:55 (five years ago) link
Do we have a July thread?
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 1 July 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
generalists are always pushing for wariness
― Evan, Sunday, 1 July 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
is there no july thread because no one can decide on a title
― maura, Sunday, 1 July 2018 21:48 (five years ago) link
“Goodlatte 2: DPRK Nuke-a-Dupe”
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 1 July 2018 22:07 (five years ago) link
US Politics July 2018: Let's Eat Grandma
― a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Sunday, 1 July 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link
Among contenders upthread were "womp womp", "We Got Space Force" and "I REALLY DON'T CARE. DO U?" of which the latter is the most nihilistically apposite.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 1 July 2018 22:35 (five years ago) link
i really don't careforce 1
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 1 July 2018 22:57 (five years ago) link
I'm down with the third option MatthewK presented
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 1 July 2018 22:58 (five years ago) link
Shall I
Option 3 for sure.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 1 July 2018 23:13 (five years ago) link
marches lighter on millenials are marches heavier on voters, and so a good thing.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 2 July 2018 10:43 (five years ago) link
The new name has always been a surprise.
Just sayin.
― Mark G, Monday, 2 July 2018 10:48 (five years ago) link
US Politics, July 2018: FART
Surprise!!
― Mark G, Monday, 2 July 2018 10:49 (five years ago) link