the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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it's piss funny how bitter they sounded when it was announced the EU common fisheries policy would continue for now. Like they just can't believe this shower of a government lied to them noble fucking toilers of the sea .. of all the people to lie to!

calzino, Thursday, 5 July 2018 09:37 (five years ago) link

The maddening thing about Helen Lewis is that seemingly everything she writes feels specifically designed to wind up a particular consituency that has annoyed/been rude about her on Twitter and it seems to drive her opinion on literally everything and she can't keep out of inane Twitter beefs herself. It's such a fucking immature approach to journalism

So she's the British Maggie Haberman?

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 13:41 (five years ago) link

Time for dazzle ships cosmetics

suzy, Thursday, 5 July 2018 14:08 (five years ago) link

Don't knock it guys, this could be the new VAR.

Neymar, Mr Nice Guy (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 5 July 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link

“There’s no dedicated legislation, there’s no guidance, there’s no good practice,” she said. “It’s staggeringly inaccurate and this sort of technology has been shown in America has shown to be actively biased and misidentify women and black people.

quelle fucking surprise!

calzino, Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:09 (five years ago) link

This woman was the first baby delivered by the NHS - which today celebrates its 70th birthday.

Aneira Thomas was born at one minute past midnight on 5th July 1948. #NHS70 pic.twitter.com/FjejmWkC40

— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) July 5, 2018

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 5 July 2018 23:01 (five years ago) link

can't wait until Gove is PM and he makes Kate Andrews the NHS Czar, we'll soon be back to selling prized household possessions for paying doctors bills and life-changing injuries becoming death!

calzino, Thursday, 5 July 2018 23:51 (five years ago) link

so apparently today is the big and historical cabinet meeting where may faces down the brexit crew. she's taking them out to chequers and those who don't fall in line are to be booted out and immediately have their cars confiscated so they have to ring a taxi to get home (???)

then we can have the nominal, pseudo-brexit we've all been eagerly anticipating

ogmor, Friday, 6 July 2018 10:04 (five years ago) link

historic, even

ogmor, Friday, 6 July 2018 10:04 (five years ago) link

She met with the editor of The Sun at No.10 last night to get the messaging straight.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2018 10:08 (five years ago) link

xp Yeah, I read that - local cabby cards prominently displayed in Chequers reception room, apparently. Which is some nice gamesmanship, I have to admit.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 6 July 2018 10:09 (five years ago) link

Not only that, but apparently the number on the cabby cards was out of service!

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 6 July 2018 10:20 (five years ago) link

What's to stop any of them from going all 'yes ma'am, no ma'am' throughout the day, get the car ride back to London, then cause all hell once back in the Westminster Bubble ?
would save us taxpayers the taxi fares at least.

mark e, Friday, 6 July 2018 10:39 (five years ago) link

grown-up politics

Neymar, Mr Nice Guy (Noodle Vague), Friday, 6 July 2018 10:42 (five years ago) link

No taxis required.

Telegraph, etc, taking the news the U.K. is effectively aiming at staying in a regulatory / customs union for goods about as well as you would expect. So much of it is fuzzy, though, and obviously remains to be negotiated with the people who matter.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link

pretty sure the nuances of the deal will be responsibly reported to an audience of centre right pragmatists

Neymar, Mr Nice Guy (Noodle Vague), Friday, 6 July 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link

this is surely more fantasy from the tories? thinking that they can pick and choose the bits they like.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 6 July 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link

not sure if deliberately picking an unacceptable-to-EU compromise so they can say "well, we tried", or if there is some way this could be a genuine starting point (I did see the quote "I am ready to adapt our offer should the UK's red lines change" from Barnier earlier)

will wait for someone clever to tell me the correct opinion to have, but for now I guess this new ambiguity is better than last weekend when I decided that a no-deal crash-out with food shortages and general total chaos was 99.9% certain

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 6 July 2018 21:40 (five years ago) link

"well, we tried" = "it's all the nasty EU's fault that they made us do this thing" obv

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 6 July 2018 21:40 (five years ago) link

It's the new ambiguity
ba-dap-bap
Better than the old ambiguity
ba-dap-bap
possibly

Mark G, Friday, 6 July 2018 22:20 (five years ago) link

Some typical May stuff in there — "Freedom of movement will end; we will have a mobility framework". Don't totally understand their thinking on restricting services; Mode 5 makes up an important chunk of the economy, I thought.

That "we'll collect EU tariffs" plan still seems to be the thing it'll break apart on. Can't see the EU accepting that without also accepting NI becoming the global centre for smuggling.

stet, Friday, 6 July 2018 23:24 (five years ago) link

Everyone is still reporting it weirdly. Shit like "ministers have signed up to a plan to create a free trade area" really needs to read "Ministers have signed up to a plan to seek a free trade area". The Tory party agreeing is what should have happened before A50. This is still just getting to the starting line.

stet, Friday, 6 July 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link

Hasn’t free trade without free movement already been rejected by the EU. I was going to say that this will last as long as it take the EU to state that but the moggites will probably come out swinging long before that.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 6 July 2018 23:35 (five years ago) link

So back to normal by Sunday morning.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 6 July 2018 23:36 (five years ago) link

I think they're trying to be craftier/shittier than that. The wording is that they "will end free movement, giving the UK back control over how many people enter the country". WHICH WE ALWAYS HAD. The "free movement" in that sentence is a Mail-conjured phantom. Member states have always retained the right to control the numbers that enter seeking work, and those who can stay for longer than three months.

The fourth freedom that is the EU red line is the freedom of movement for workers, and the "mobility framework" they're proposing sounds just like that.

So, as far as I can tell, Brexit was driven by a racist/legimate concerns agenda predicated on the idea that we had no control of immigration, which we did. We'll now leave, at enormous upheaval and cost, and end up with near enough exactly the status quo on immigration.

stet, Friday, 6 July 2018 23:51 (five years ago) link

sorry, I meant "persons" there, not "workers". Same sense, though. The Tory wording is "a mobility framework so that UK and EU citizens can travel to each other's territories and apply to study and work". Which is FoMoP so far as I understand it.

stet, Friday, 6 July 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link

Time for dazzle ships cosmetics

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American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 7 July 2018 03:45 (five years ago) link

I suspect that Boris, DoubleD and Adam Weritty’s bff will collectively resign in a few days.

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Saturday, 7 July 2018 05:25 (five years ago) link

OMG, these bridesmaids are all dressed the same! It's like they're quintuplets!

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Saturday, 7 July 2018 05:40 (five years ago) link

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2018/07/would-labour-be-ahead-polls-if-it-opposed-brexit

some common sense here from S Bush, but most the centrists who bash Corbyn every day for not opposing brexit know very well if he did it would spell his end as Labour leader, which would suit them fine.

calzino, Saturday, 7 July 2018 07:23 (five years ago) link

I think for some of them (eg Alistair Campbell) it's pretty much the whole point.

Matt DC, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:02 (five years ago) link

some of them lay it on a bit thick, like a certain Grauny writing ILXer, who is very opposed to austerity but unfortunately because of his deeply held convictions about the EU, spends every bastard day bashing the only trustworthy anti-austerity candidate!

calzino, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:15 (five years ago) link

I confess that I've been totally zoned out of the Brexit disaster for pretty much all of this year - and I'm someone who is interested in politics, what about the poor sods who aren't? Anyway, the prospect of it blowing up the Conservative Party is almost all that interests me now, even though I know in my heart of hearts that's not going to happen because they are Cockroach Tory Party of Cockroach UK and could survive a supernova.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:36 (five years ago) link

they have always been able to survive anything, even a paedo leader couldn't bring them down!

calzino, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:38 (five years ago) link

that's a bit harsh on IDS

Neymar, Mr Nice Guy (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:48 (five years ago) link

beware of the Quiet Paedo!

calzino, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:50 (five years ago) link

they're the worst kind

Neymar, Mr Nice Guy (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:51 (five years ago) link

well the most effective anyway

repartee is deft (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 July 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link

The example of Jimmy Savile very much suggests otherwise.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Saturday, 7 July 2018 20:56 (five years ago) link

was he a noisy paedo or just a noisy fella who was a paedo

repartee is deft (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 July 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link

A fair and knotty point

he's one of our pwn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 7 July 2018 21:38 (five years ago) link

Cat among the pigeons there.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Saturday, 7 July 2018 21:45 (five years ago) link

Boris really really really wants to get sacked, dunt he?

Mark G, Sunday, 8 July 2018 08:51 (five years ago) link

it seems May's brand nu brexit package has managed to piss off UK business/right wing hardliners/Dacre-drones/absolutely everybody!

calzino, Sunday, 8 July 2018 09:26 (five years ago) link

“sources warned that May’s customs compromise looked very similar to the “new customs partnership” that the EU rejected as “magical thinking” 11 months ago”

calzino, Sunday, 8 July 2018 09:32 (five years ago) link

That seems to be what Johnson, etc are betting on. No point in resigning yet when there is every chance the EU will reject the proposals.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 8 July 2018 09:34 (five years ago) link

At some point they might have to admit that there is no one form of Brexit that can get through the Conservative Party, the Commons, the the Lords and the EU. That point probably represents the end of this government in its current form so no surprise they're kicking that can down the road.

Matt DC, Sunday, 8 July 2018 11:39 (five years ago) link

David Davies has slung his hook.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 8 July 2018 22:41 (five years ago) link


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