Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

lmao

I get more judgmental about coke than even meth or opiates. It's just so '80s Wall Street lame (and maybe I'm biased because it was just like taking really expensive Ritalin for me).

I owned fairtradecocaine.org for a couple of years, I wanted to get logo t-shirts printed up with a caricature of Pablo Escobar wearing Buddy Holly glasses.

Lol that nerds who called their podcast Chapo Traphouse would one day make enough $$ to become real boy coke heads.

we all have a dream

Felix would somehow be the least annoying Chapo on a coke jag. Amber definitely the most.

hardcore lefties doing performative cokehead schtick is p gross imo

― Οὖτις, Monday, July 9, 2018 6:51 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they're performative hardcore lefties. their contribution to leftist politics in the USA begins and ends with the amount of people that started listening after the election and either joined the DSA, became more active, or at least more aware of (sorry) neoliberal ills and the possibility for a better future. early on i said they had a responsibility to be more serious because of their platform, but they've burrowed into their niche and are past the point of reaching people outside of, like you said, talk radio disputes played out on twitter. half of them come from money, they're "problematic," their sister shows are Red Scare and Cum Town. their leftist "credentials" or whatever don't exist and they don't care. neither do i, though i understand why people do - they're certainly not representing their "cause" or whatever very well by flaunting their drug use.

ftr i despise cocaine & what it does to people, haven't done it in years, but them straight up posting a picture of chopped up lines on that dude's book was hilarious. again, i listen to the show (and RS and CT) because they're fun, not because i agree with them. but as always, ymmv

Amber is the only one of them that I get the sense has any activist bona fides and she's almost a peripheral member. That said, I think their contribution to the revitalization of DSA is actually quite important even if it might have been semi-accidental.

I agree, but how big a part did they play? I didn't want to overstate their influence bc I'm not sure

I mean I was very much a person who had become politically complacent/dejected, and the Bernie campaign, DSA revival etc have actually made me take small steps to involve myself for the first time in years. And listening to Chapo, as much as it's largely just entertainment and blowing off steam, has contributed to my feeling that the world of the possible has expanded.

I mean I think it's the same as any kind of political entertainment that accompanies a movement -- it doesn't cause the movement but it reinforces it.

I mean if you want data on the impact of Chapo you will never get it. But excessive fealty to data is part of what got us into this mess.

Cmon, Matt’s drug of choice is booze and maybe weed.

I admit I am somewhat trepidatious about how they'll collectively handle the higher profile that may or may not accompany the book release.

the impact of Trapo is probably bigger than the impact of the Daily Show/Colbert Show and its attendant Rally To Restore Sanity/Kissinger guest spots

I would estimate a few hundred people have joined DSA via the pod (~150k listeners, subtract the non-Americans and people who don't d activism or who already organize with other folks...) but I can't discount the idea that people conflate them with "the left" and assume it's brotown all around, which might well have dissuaded others who might otherwise be open. (Hence a good chunk the new upswing in interest in DSA that came with AOC's victory.)

I do wonder if it's appropriate to characterize Red Scare as a "sister podcast" - they're beginning to exhibit a reactionary streak I've never detected from CTH

succesful podcast hosting would be pretty much an absolute guarantee of drug addiction for me. "work" twice a week for like an hour, lots of disposable income. it's a recipe for disaster. which chapo member will end up at the betty ford clinic?

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 9 July 2018 22:55 (yesterday) Permalink

I would've said Amber but she hasn't been around much. Matt seems the most likely.

― Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 22:59 (yesterday) Permalink

hasn't been around much huh

lol

I've never heard of Red Scare

I do wonder if it's appropriate to characterize Red Scare as a "sister podcast" - they're beginning to exhibit a reactionary streak I've never detected from CTH

So it's Dasha and Anna Khachiyan? I used to follow Anna on twitter, sometimes she was good but she definitely has a Camille Paglia contrarian feminist thing going on.

These podcasts have friendships in common and are all loosely connected to left/weird twitter but otherwise I don't see that much in common between them.

I mean they are at least equally connected to Street Fight, Katie Halper, Delete Your Account, and the Trillbillies afaict, probably other podcasts too.

I still think Nick would be an great Chapo guest but I guess that'll never happen.

challop trap house

They are absolute dogshit, but in every way superior to The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi https://t.co/zAnC5wKpmn

— Will🦕Menaker (@willmenaker) July 10, 2018

patting myself on the back for that one which I assume has already been posted

It's a current dn, I think.

i think morbs said something similar at one point

hi

everything I've every said I read previously on the internet

everything i've ever written on ilx is collectivized for ilxor use, i'm not looking for no royalties

also i just searched and i'm not the first person to do it on here. i'm not even the first WILL to do it

at the risk of turning this into yet another stealth star wars thread, will’s right in the sense that the prequels do try to do something different with star wars, it’s just that everything they do is bad and wrong

star wars prequels: terrible but elaborate fan fiction. star wars sequels: in penance for the terrible fan fiction, our algorithm has scripted and directed a film based entirely on brainscans of fans watching the original trilogy

chapo trap house and the rise of a new starwars prequel thread

I blame myself

is every thread about fuckin star wars now

/morbs

dirtbag Jedis

where is my socialist Yoda

https://pics.me.me/proletariat-you-are-seize-means-of-production-youmust-11988710.png

I do wonder if it's appropriate to characterize Red Scare as a "sister podcast" - they're beginning to exhibit a reactionary streak I've never detected from CTH

― Simon H., Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:26 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ever read Anna’s tweets

I have not and I do not plan to correct this

the entire DSA Disability Working Group steering committee just resigned citing ongoing harassment by CTH & Cumtown stans

i have mixed feelings about this as on the one hand obviously combat ableism on all fronts but on the other hand "people are mean to us online" almost feels tautological to me

The whole thing got started with what seemed from the outside to be a deadly combo of bad faith (on Amber's part) and miscommunication (on the Working Group's part - wasn't it something stupid like the CC had the wrong contact info or something?) Seems like it could all have been prevented pretty easily. Hopefully...lessons are learned? Somehow?

A Deadly Combo of Bad Faith and Miscommunication: Twitter C/D?

overall I like Chapo but there's too much dude energy around this thing, dude energy is a dangerous force

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, July 14, 2017 7:17 PM (eleven months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also, maybe a sign that having committee members who are appointed rather than elected can in fact be A Bad Thing

so out of character for infighting to break out in a lefty org

honestly, given the insane rate of growth and the breadth of tendencies involved, I think there's been a pretty remarkable lack of infighting beyond twitter spats

like if the org I'm in grew to 10x its size in two years (or whatever the exact rate's been) there could be actual murders

so out of character for infighting to break out in a lefty org

― President Keyes, Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:48 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not that it's the same thing but i just opened twitter for te first time in a few days and red scare and delete yr acct hosts trying to straight up murder each other

ongoing harassment by CTH & Cumtown stans

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