Felix would somehow be the least annoying Chapo on a coke jag. Amber definitely the most.
― louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 02:02 (five years ago) link
hardcore lefties doing performative cokehead schtick is p gross imo― Οὖτις, Monday, July 9, 2018 6:51 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Monday, July 9, 2018 6:51 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they're performative hardcore lefties. their contribution to leftist politics in the USA begins and ends with the amount of people that started listening after the election and either joined the DSA, became more active, or at least more aware of (sorry) neoliberal ills and the possibility for a better future. early on i said they had a responsibility to be more serious because of their platform, but they've burrowed into their niche and are past the point of reaching people outside of, like you said, talk radio disputes played out on twitter. half of them come from money, they're "problematic," their sister shows are Red Scare and Cum Town. their leftist "credentials" or whatever don't exist and they don't care. neither do i, though i understand why people do - they're certainly not representing their "cause" or whatever very well by flaunting their drug use.
ftr i despise cocaine & what it does to people, haven't done it in years, but them straight up posting a picture of chopped up lines on that dude's book was hilarious. again, i listen to the show (and RS and CT) because they're fun, not because i agree with them. but as always, ymmv
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link
Amber is the only one of them that I get the sense has any activist bona fides and she's almost a peripheral member. That said, I think their contribution to the revitalization of DSA is actually quite important even if it might have been semi-accidental.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 03:11 (five years ago) link
I agree, but how big a part did they play? I didn't want to overstate their influence bc I'm not sure
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 03:12 (five years ago) link
I mean I was very much a person who had become politically complacent/dejected, and the Bernie campaign, DSA revival etc have actually made me take small steps to involve myself for the first time in years. And listening to Chapo, as much as it's largely just entertainment and blowing off steam, has contributed to my feeling that the world of the possible has expanded.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 03:13 (five years ago) link
I mean I think it's the same as any kind of political entertainment that accompanies a movement -- it doesn't cause the movement but it reinforces it.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 03:14 (five years ago) link
I mean if you want data on the impact of Chapo you will never get it. But excessive fealty to data is part of what got us into this mess.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 03:35 (five years ago) link
Cmon, Matt’s drug of choice is booze and maybe weed.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 05:45 (five years ago) link
I admit I am somewhat trepidatious about how they'll collectively handle the higher profile that may or may not accompany the book release.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 09:40 (five years ago) link
the impact of Trapo is probably bigger than the impact of the Daily Show/Colbert Show and its attendant Rally To Restore Sanity/Kissinger guest spots
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 13:10 (five years ago) link
I would estimate a few hundred people have joined DSA via the pod (~150k listeners, subtract the non-Americans and people who don't d activism or who already organize with other folks...) but I can't discount the idea that people conflate them with "the left" and assume it's brotown all around, which might well have dissuaded others who might otherwise be open. (Hence a good chunk the new upswing in interest in DSA that came with AOC's victory.)
― Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 13:22 (five years ago) link
I do wonder if it's appropriate to characterize Red Scare as a "sister podcast" - they're beginning to exhibit a reactionary streak I've never detected from CTH
― Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 13:26 (five years ago) link
succesful podcast hosting would be pretty much an absolute guarantee of drug addiction for me. "work" twice a week for like an hour, lots of disposable income. it's a recipe for disaster. which chapo member will end up at the betty ford clinic?
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 9 July 2018 22:55 (yesterday) Permalink
I would've said Amber but she hasn't been around much. Matt seems the most likely.
― Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 22:59 (yesterday) Permalink
hasn't been around much huh
― Neuer write off the germans (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 13:34 (five years ago) link
lol
― Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 13:36 (five years ago) link
I've never heard of Red Scare
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 13:49 (five years ago) link
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:52 (five years ago) link
So it's Dasha and Anna Khachiyan? I used to follow Anna on twitter, sometimes she was good but she definitely has a Camille Paglia contrarian feminist thing going on.
These podcasts have friendships in common and are all loosely connected to left/weird twitter but otherwise I don't see that much in common between them.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
I mean they are at least equally connected to Street Fight, Katie Halper, Delete Your Account, and the Trillbillies afaict, probably other podcasts too.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link
I still think Nick would be an great Chapo guest but I guess that'll never happen.
― ryan, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:04 (five years ago) link
challop trap house
They are absolute dogshit, but in every way superior to The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi https://t.co/zAnC5wKpmn— Will🦕Menaker (@willmenaker) July 10, 2018
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link
patting myself on the back for that one which I assume has already been posted
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:25 (five years ago) link
It's a current dn, I think.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:26 (five years ago) link
i think morbs said something similar at one point
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:27 (five years ago) link
hi
― challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link
everything I've every said I read previously on the internet
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link
everything i've ever written on ilx is collectivized for ilxor use, i'm not looking for no royalties
also i just searched and i'm not the first person to do it on here. i'm not even the first WILL to do it
― challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:36 (five years ago) link
at the risk of turning this into yet another stealth star wars thread, will’s right in the sense that the prequels do try to do something different with star wars, it’s just that everything they do is bad and wrong
― there’s gonna be a hot time in the ol’ tub machine tonight (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link
star wars prequels: terrible but elaborate fan fiction. star wars sequels: in penance for the terrible fan fiction, our algorithm has scripted and directed a film based entirely on brainscans of fans watching the original trilogy
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
chapo trap house and the rise of a new starwars prequel thread
I blame myself
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
is every thread about fuckin star wars now
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 16:03 (five years ago) link
/morbs
dirtbag Jedis
where is my socialist Yoda
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link
https://pics.me.me/proletariat-you-are-seize-means-of-production-youmust-11988710.png
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link
― Simon H., Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:26 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ever read Anna’s tweets
― flopson, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
I have not and I do not plan to correct this
― Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
the entire DSA Disability Working Group steering committee just resigned citing ongoing harassment by CTH & Cumtown stans
i have mixed feelings about this as on the one hand obviously combat ableism on all fronts but on the other hand "people are mean to us online" almost feels tautological to me
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link
The whole thing got started with what seemed from the outside to be a deadly combo of bad faith (on Amber's part) and miscommunication (on the Working Group's part - wasn't it something stupid like the CC had the wrong contact info or something?) Seems like it could all have been prevented pretty easily. Hopefully...lessons are learned? Somehow?
― Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
A Deadly Combo of Bad Faith and Miscommunication: Twitter C/D?
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
overall I like Chapo but there's too much dude energy around this thing, dude energy is a dangerous force
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, July 14, 2017 7:17 PM (eleven months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
Also, maybe a sign that having committee members who are appointed rather than elected can in fact be A Bad Thing
― Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 19:46 (five years ago) link
so out of character for infighting to break out in a lefty org
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
honestly, given the insane rate of growth and the breadth of tendencies involved, I think there's been a pretty remarkable lack of infighting beyond twitter spats
― Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 19:50 (five years ago) link
like if the org I'm in grew to 10x its size in two years (or whatever the exact rate's been) there could be actual murders
― Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
so out of character for infighting to break out in a lefty org― President Keyes, Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:48 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― President Keyes, Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:48 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
not that it's the same thing but i just opened twitter for te first time in a few days and red scare and delete yr acct hosts trying to straight up murder each other
― challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link
ongoing harassment by CTH & Cumtown stans
:|
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 20:01 (five years ago) link
it seems to have begun in earnest here
Shoutout to my Best Friend Amber for posting a massive rambling essay in response to the criticism of her recent ableist comments about disabled comrades. The facebook post is rly long, here are some screenshots and here’s a link to the post: https://t.co/okUQRBWUcK pic.twitter.com/Y8Hh5MK36y— Conor Arpwel (notorious wrecker) (@Arpwel) January 6, 2018
where, charitably, conor seems to be misunderstanding amber's excerpt from a 1940 Richard Wright essay as being her own words, and the misunderstandings and misreadings and fan-base riling only seemed to accelerate from there
the WG made a spreadsheet indexing some of the mean comments made in cth & ct subreddits: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RD6-vjFJglqwL37qtVMttuyTQufdtdzu/view
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link
can't they all just do some lines together and chill out
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
https://i.redd.it/eqdzjivxx0911.png
― Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link
(AFAIK none of the Chapos besides Amber have ever had anything to do with DSA drama, and definitely none of it was discussed on the show, so the notion that "the Chapo boys" directed harassment scans weird to me, unless it's meant to strictly denote fans.)
― Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
Didn't it turn out that the Disabilities WG had changed phone numbers or e-mails and not told anyone or something like that?
― louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link