Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

I have not and I do not plan to correct this

the entire DSA Disability Working Group steering committee just resigned citing ongoing harassment by CTH & Cumtown stans

i have mixed feelings about this as on the one hand obviously combat ableism on all fronts but on the other hand "people are mean to us online" almost feels tautological to me

The whole thing got started with what seemed from the outside to be a deadly combo of bad faith (on Amber's part) and miscommunication (on the Working Group's part - wasn't it something stupid like the CC had the wrong contact info or something?) Seems like it could all have been prevented pretty easily. Hopefully...lessons are learned? Somehow?

A Deadly Combo of Bad Faith and Miscommunication: Twitter C/D?

overall I like Chapo but there's too much dude energy around this thing, dude energy is a dangerous force

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, July 14, 2017 7:17 PM (eleven months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also, maybe a sign that having committee members who are appointed rather than elected can in fact be A Bad Thing

so out of character for infighting to break out in a lefty org

honestly, given the insane rate of growth and the breadth of tendencies involved, I think there's been a pretty remarkable lack of infighting beyond twitter spats

like if the org I'm in grew to 10x its size in two years (or whatever the exact rate's been) there could be actual murders

so out of character for infighting to break out in a lefty org

― President Keyes, Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:48 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not that it's the same thing but i just opened twitter for te first time in a few days and red scare and delete yr acct hosts trying to straight up murder each other

ongoing harassment by CTH & Cumtown stans

:|

it seems to have begun in earnest here

Shoutout to my Best Friend Amber for posting a massive rambling essay in response to the criticism of her recent ableist comments about disabled comrades.

The facebook post is rly long, here are some screenshots and here’s a link to the post: https://t.co/okUQRBWUcK pic.twitter.com/Y8Hh5MK36y

— Conor Arpwel (notorious wrecker) (@Arpwel) January 6, 2018

where, charitably, conor seems to be misunderstanding amber's excerpt from a 1940 Richard Wright essay as being her own words, and the misunderstandings and misreadings and fan-base riling only seemed to accelerate from there

the WG made a spreadsheet indexing some of the mean comments made in cth & ct subreddits: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RD6-vjFJglqwL37qtVMttuyTQufdtdzu/view

can't they all just do some lines together and chill out

https://i.redd.it/eqdzjivxx0911.png

(AFAIK none of the Chapos besides Amber have ever had anything to do with DSA drama, and definitely none of it was discussed on the show, so the notion that "the Chapo boys" directed harassment scans weird to me, unless it's meant to strictly denote fans.)

Didn't it turn out that the Disabilities WG had changed phone numbers or e-mails and not told anyone or something like that?

yes. and they of course assumed they'd been snubbed and had to do a call out. then there was a toxic backlash. blah blah. story of our times.

Yes, it was the dumbest shit possible and not helped by everybody doubling down or staying dug in. Like, a thing that could have been rectified or dealt with people either being in the same room for 10 mins or talking on the phone had to be immediately posted about and reacted to as visibly as possible online.

don't go online imo

http://www.ricardogreene.cl/espectrofilia/wargames/wargames_10.png

yes!!! as always

wait why do people not like Liz Breunig

Catholicism.

she's anti-abortion, though she doesn't support laws that restrict women's access to abortion

She's actually not super clear on that from what I've seen

interesting

oh ok, i had wondered, as I've honestly never encountered that before irl.

america is funny man, literally one of the only left wing opinion writers in a major paper in the country and she's pro-life, hoo boy

i 'like' her but yes the trad cath thing creeps me out no matter what

at a guess i think she keeps herself distant from the pro-life movement as it exists, but re: laws about such i'm p sure her preferred legal regime is basically alien to the world as it is in toto. when she says she's a christian and not a liberal she's not kidding.

Imo she's never adequately dealt with the question of whether abortion should be legal in a socialist society. I appreciate the economic angle (it's bad when material conditions make having a kid prohibitive) but there are so many other reasons people have abortions!

(xp)

Listening to the Red Scare ep, she's explaining her position, refers to the moment of conception as when "another actor enters the picture" OK i get it now gtfo

Boooooooo

my sexagenarian catholic dad from the most socially conservative country in south america isn't pro-life. an educated, otherwise leftist, 20 something from north america being pro-life is just steam-coming-out-the-ears-inducing for me

And she's the only socialist with a mainstream newspaper column lol

america is funny man, literally one of the only left wing opinion writers in a major paper in the country and she's pro-life, hoo boy

Married to an autistic guy (per one of her tweets) who's had his problematic turn as a bonus.

well... as long as she isn't into overturning roe v wade... w/e...

i really don't believe in calling people out or cancelling them etc. or with people on the left being super fucking cops about purity but man reproductive rights are just sort of the baseline

Anna asked Liz about abortion in cases of rape or incest... Liz literally said "that's really hard. the third actor in that circumstance, the child isn't responsible for what happened..." Fuuuuuck you!!

Ok I get it now lol

xp ya i feel the same

In other news, that window keeps a movin'

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2018/07/10/cynthia-nixon-im-a-democratic-socialist-503279

Will did an AMA
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse/comments/8xr4ab/official_will_menaker_ama/

had no idea there was so much acting involved

xp

I respect pro-lifers who think "rape and incest" exemptions are bullshit more than the rest - if you're pro-life and believe that personhood begins at conception then how does the manner in which the person is conceived matter?

so are miscarriages ... involuntary manslaughter?

the whole "life begins at conception" tack is arbitrary and stupid. I suppose consistency can be admired in and of itself but the baseline position it stems from is illogical, based in religious dogma, and socially harmful.

Pro-lifers in general are monstrous but I'd rather deal with one who's logically consistent.

why who gives a shit, they're all idiots

Which is more appealing to the population that isn't as extremist as I am about reproductive rights - soft pro-lifers who'll carve out exemptions/focus on bullshit like 'partial birth abortions' or someone who just point blank says no to all of it?

Logically consistent reactionary beliefs are usually repulsive to normal people.

Right

why who gives a shit, they're all idiots

― flappy bird, Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:36 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink