the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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But I'll observe once again that pre-referendum most of the electorate didn't give much of a shit and we might be heading back that way.

he's one of our pwn (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 12:27 (five years ago) link

NV otm. It’s a difficult path to take

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:16 (five years ago) link

kip malthouse backstory:

This guy was a blazing skip fire when he worked for Boris Johnson as mayor of London. your references are here: https://t.co/fLEJojMmzM https://t.co/s8q6gmpjLJ

— Alex Harrowell (@yorksranter) July 11, 2018

(pause also to remember the late tom barry aka @BorisWatch)

mark s, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:05 (five years ago) link

Hostile environment policy “paused”, Javid claims.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/11/windrush-uk-government-pauses-hostile-immigration-policies

UCL threatening to fine staff members, lecturers, etc £20k if they fail to implement immigration spot checks on students is an excellent example of why tinkering around the edges to avoid another Windrush scandal is virtually meaningless. It’s baked into public and private institutions, from universities to letting agents, that they’re on the hook for failing to be aggressive enough. “Hostile environment “ doesn’t mean government data sharing, it means devolving immigration enforcement to anyone with a modicum of power over anyone else, and putting the fear of god into them that if they fail to do it correctly, they will be penalised.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/12/ucl-row-email-immigration-check-fine-draconian-discriminatory

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 12 July 2018 08:21 (five years ago) link

I signed on on Monday via the government website and having not claimed dole for maybe 20 years I can only say that the environment for jobseekers is pretty hostile too. These fuckers are savages.

ABBA Bill O'Reilly (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 July 2018 09:40 (five years ago) link

aside from the Brexit circus - fucking over foreigns, unemployed, disabled and working poor has been the main project of this party, what a glorious legacy they are leaving.

calzino, Thursday, 12 July 2018 09:45 (five years ago) link

Yes, there's more than one hostile environment policy in operation.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 July 2018 09:47 (five years ago) link

the local swimming baths is next to the job centre and I often see people walking out with a completely defeated look on them. I'd imagine if you haven't been to a job centre in 20 years, you might be inclined to think there are more security staff than advisers these days.

calzino, Thursday, 12 July 2018 10:03 (five years ago) link

looking forward to my first in person visit next week, really hoping some 20-something tries to hardman me cos i am in the mood

ABBA Bill O'Reilly (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 July 2018 10:04 (five years ago) link

the local swimming baths is next to the job centre and I often see people walking out with a completely defeated look on them

learning to swim as an adult can be hard tbf

learning to swim through shit is much more soul destroying, 4 real!

calzino, Thursday, 12 July 2018 10:07 (five years ago) link

Being forced to swim through shit to survive.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 July 2018 10:10 (five years ago) link

I'd imagine if you haven't been to a job centre in 20 years, you might be inclined to think there are more security staff than advisers these days.

This was the case at the one I used to go to.

what a glorious legacy they are leaving.

Let’s not forget this: https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/hate-crime-statistics

gyac, Thursday, 12 July 2018 11:37 (five years ago) link

the latest Sarkar vs. Piers clip making the rounds is wonderful

Simon H., Thursday, 12 July 2018 12:41 (five years ago) link

I've been away the last week, has much been going on?

Neil S, Thursday, 12 July 2018 12:45 (five years ago) link

just the same, Neil.

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 12 July 2018 12:54 (five years ago) link

Terrible stench in the London air these last few hours.

Plus, Murdoch cleared to buy all of Sky (subject to being gazumped by Comcast somehow).

shaqiri tip (nashwan), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link

Bercow lightly intervenes on a conversation Raab is having with someone as Starmer speaks. "I didn't say anything," Starmer says, "because I assumed the sec of state was being briefed on the contents of the white paper."

— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) July 12, 2018

stet, Thursday, 12 July 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link

Love that whole thread

stet, Thursday, 12 July 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link

fuck sake

raab c brexit indeed

Curious manner from Raab. He seems mostly nervous, and then occasionally angry and snide, almost hateful.

— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) July 12, 2018



“almost”?

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link

Curious indeed, nervousness is so out of character for him.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link

lol

WORLD EXCL: Donald Trump warns Theresa May her soft Brexit blueprint will "kill" any future trade deal with the US. Full @POTUS interview with @TheSun from 11pm.

— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) July 12, 2018

Trump tells me: "If they do a deal like that, we would be dealing with the European Union instead of dealing with the UK, so it will probably kill the deal".

— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) July 12, 2018

Trump also reveals to me PM ignored his advice on Brexit negotiations: “I would have done it much differently. I actually told Theresa May how to do it, but she didn’t listen to me".

— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) July 12, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link

Did his method involve multiple bankruptcies and Russian funding, by chance?

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:20 (five years ago) link

Great stuff, this is what we want.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:21 (five years ago) link

When the most successful POTUS ever gives you advice on governing you'd be crazy not to listen

more like Toss, Ow amirite? (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:24 (five years ago) link

lol everything’s fucked

So he's sorry but not that sorry

more like Toss, Ow amirite? (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:45 (five years ago) link

This trip's going to go brilliantly pic.twitter.com/GrXSagxOtZ

— Dawn Foster (@DawnHFoster) July 12, 2018

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link

Looking forward to Theresa coming on the march tomorrow.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link

sorry for lolling @ ‘trump lets rip’

I'd Rather Kecak (NickB), Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:14 (five years ago) link

it feels like that orange twat's helicopters have been circling tottenham for hours

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:23 (five years ago) link

maybe he's looking for the pengest munch.

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:30 (five years ago) link

Trump versus Scottish insults is the most beautiful thing I’ve seen today. pic.twitter.com/60wUjTXz1w

— Pádraig Belton (@PadraigBelton) July 12, 2018

obligatory Trump content ... ning ning ning ... I don't even see him!

calzino, Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:40 (five years ago) link

Loool

White House just issued this. pic.twitter.com/sXNLLMpR58

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) July 13, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 13 July 2018 04:27 (five years ago) link

but her email

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Friday, 13 July 2018 05:17 (five years ago) link

Not quite sure what the Sun thinks its doing with that front page - even putting all other concerns aside I can't help but get the feeling that explicitly linking hard Brexit with Trump is likely to be seriously counterproductive for Leave.

Matt DC, Friday, 13 July 2018 07:06 (five years ago) link

Andrew Neil & Guido Fawkes both claiming that the lines Trump is spouting came from Farage, the Sun is denying this.

gyac, Friday, 13 July 2018 07:32 (five years ago) link

Speaking to their core constituency I guess. I think they probably realise they don't have much political influence outside of the meathead right nowadays so why not keep spinning the narrative? Trump definitely has his fanbase over here, same as in the US.

more like Toss, Ow amirite? (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 July 2018 07:33 (five years ago) link

Choppers (I saw three) seem to be just rushing backwards and forwards over Seven Sisters now - I'm not sure why they'd be here for Trump?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 13 July 2018 07:50 (five years ago) link

charles striking

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Friday, 13 July 2018 07:51 (five years ago) link

Great to see Steve Bannon being fawned over by Piers Morgan on morning tv.

gyac, Friday, 13 July 2018 08:12 (five years ago) link

Searching for Corbz, he must be eliminated. (xxp)

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Friday, 13 July 2018 08:16 (five years ago) link

'I was fine with separating children from parents, I was fine with banning muslims from entering the US, I was fine with kicking transgender people out of the armed forces, but in attacking the WTO, Trump has gone too far'
Cleggmania at its besthttps://t.co/95RHNHveob

— Toby Moses (@tobymoses) July 12, 2018

gyac, Friday, 13 July 2018 08:23 (five years ago) link

Presented with the choice of continuing to trade with our most important partner or angling for a deal with an actual monster who wants to privatise the NHS and sell us chlorinated chicken, you'd hope that a fair proportion of leave voters would lean towards the former. The important thing is killing the fiction that you can have both - which Trump has effectively done.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 13 July 2018 08:40 (five years ago) link

Are you sure about that? His actions are meat and drink to the kind of people who’ll love the Muslim mayor and the female PM being put in their place.

gyac, Friday, 13 July 2018 08:48 (five years ago) link

Presented with the choice of continuing to trade with our most important partner or angling for a deal with an actual monster who wants to privatise the NHS and sell us chlorinated chicken, you'd hope that a fair proportion of leave voters would lean towards the former.

hope died somewhere between June 24 and November 8 2016, maaaan.

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Friday, 13 July 2018 08:51 (five years ago) link

Are you sure about that? His actions are meat and drink to the kind of people who’ll love the Muslim mayor and the female PM being put in their place.

But that's a sub-set of a sub-set of a sub-set. A fair proportion of leave voters don't lean right / Tory in the first place, add softer capital-C Conservative voters and the harder-right elderly who are going to be repelled by Trump's vulgarity, if nothing else, and idk if the Transatlanic alliance is going to look that attractive to many people beyond UKIP and the Raab/Johnson-style accelerationists. They aren't the majority of the Tory party in parliament and i'm not sure they're the majority of the grass roots either.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 13 July 2018 09:00 (five years ago) link


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