the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

sorry for lolling @ ‘trump lets rip’

it feels like that orange twat's helicopters have been circling tottenham for hours

maybe he's looking for the pengest munch.

Trump versus Scottish insults is the most beautiful thing I’ve seen today. pic.twitter.com/60wUjTXz1w

— Pádraig Belton (@PadraigBelton) July 12, 2018

obligatory Trump content ... ning ning ning ... I don't even see him!

Loool

White House just issued this. pic.twitter.com/sXNLLMpR58

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) July 13, 2018

but her email

Not quite sure what the Sun thinks its doing with that front page - even putting all other concerns aside I can't help but get the feeling that explicitly linking hard Brexit with Trump is likely to be seriously counterproductive for Leave.

Andrew Neil & Guido Fawkes both claiming that the lines Trump is spouting came from Farage, the Sun is denying this.

Speaking to their core constituency I guess. I think they probably realise they don't have much political influence outside of the meathead right nowadays so why not keep spinning the narrative? Trump definitely has his fanbase over here, same as in the US.

Choppers (I saw three) seem to be just rushing backwards and forwards over Seven Sisters now - I'm not sure why they'd be here for Trump?

charles striking

Great to see Steve Bannon being fawned over by Piers Morgan on morning tv.

Searching for Corbz, he must be eliminated. (xxp)

'I was fine with separating children from parents, I was fine with banning muslims from entering the US, I was fine with kicking transgender people out of the armed forces, but in attacking the WTO, Trump has gone too far'
Cleggmania at its besthttps://t.co/95RHNHveob

— Toby Moses (@tobymoses) July 12, 2018

Presented with the choice of continuing to trade with our most important partner or angling for a deal with an actual monster who wants to privatise the NHS and sell us chlorinated chicken, you'd hope that a fair proportion of leave voters would lean towards the former. The important thing is killing the fiction that you can have both - which Trump has effectively done.

Are you sure about that? His actions are meat and drink to the kind of people who’ll love the Muslim mayor and the female PM being put in their place.

Presented with the choice of continuing to trade with our most important partner or angling for a deal with an actual monster who wants to privatise the NHS and sell us chlorinated chicken, you'd hope that a fair proportion of leave voters would lean towards the former.

hope died somewhere between June 24 and November 8 2016, maaaan.

Are you sure about that? His actions are meat and drink to the kind of people who’ll love the Muslim mayor and the female PM being put in their place.

But that's a sub-set of a sub-set of a sub-set. A fair proportion of leave voters don't lean right / Tory in the first place, add softer capital-C Conservative voters and the harder-right elderly who are going to be repelled by Trump's vulgarity, if nothing else, and idk if the Transatlanic alliance is going to look that attractive to many people beyond UKIP and the Raab/Johnson-style accelerationists. They aren't the majority of the Tory party in parliament and i'm not sure they're the majority of the grass roots either.

Yeah but that’s not how it’s panning out is it? It’s the subset that’s driving the whole hard Brexit approach - a position that has no majority in Parliament or among the general public. Why is it even being discussed as a real option? Because this subset is being pandered to, as though they could possibly be appeased.

from the grauniad's liveblog

When the American president travels, a pool reporter from the White House press corps is always with him, filing a pool report for the press generally. These describe what he is doing in minute-by-minute detail. Some of the information is quite mundane, but in the light of the huge interest in Trump, I will be quoting them today. Here is the one about Trump leaving the US embassy.

POTUS. is accompanied by aides including John Kelly, John Bolton and Stephen Miller for at least this portion of the trip. The aides boarded another chopper as Woody Johnson, US ambassador to Britain, lifted off with POTUS in in Marine One at 9:01 am.

Before boarding, POTUS paused before your pool, pointed to the pool, fiddled with his suit jacket, and did a fist pump or two.

jesus christ

C'mon, one, or two. Decide.

FAKE NEWS

I totally believe those lines came from Farage fwiw. I doubt Trump has many reasons to care about the specific flavour of Brexit, or Brexit at all really.

Why is it even being discussed as a real option? Because this subset is being pandered to, as though they could possibly be appeased.

A lot will depend on whether or not May is able to ride this out, she's clearly banking on the fact that the headbangers don't exist in sufficient numbers to prevent the Chequers deal, and that there is very limited appetite among Tory MPs for suddenly seizing control of the wheel - and that calculation seems to be holding for now. Most Tory MPs probably know that jumping on this particular bandwagon is a recipe for career oblivion, which is why Gove, Fox etc are still in their positions. Clearly Murdoch has decided May needs to go, but his influence isn't what it

The fact that Gove is still there is significant, for sure.

Yep, when it looks like Trump's backing probably backfired on Marine le Pen, Gove would be bonkers to throw his lot in with him.

They also know that the public is highly unlikely to thank them for suddenly plunging the country into further uncertainty with the cliff edge approaching, especially as there's no majority for what they want in the first place - either within Parliament or the country. A putative Boris Johnson-led government wouldn't be able to get its Brexit legislation through Parliament and they know it.

The government only got above 40% last year with most UKIP votes breaking in their favour. The fairly persistent painting of labour as too interested in foreigners/minorities/hostile to women is done with a point - none of these people have the slightest interest in taking any responsibility for their actions if they can shift the blame to ready scapegoats.

Like I know where you’re coming from but when Steve Bannon is being soft-pedalled on breakfast tv to millions of people, and when you look at some of the ties between all these groups, they’re not going to care about the normal standards of doing things.

Lest we forget May, who is now being bashed as a traitor/appeaser/too soft appeared on tv just over a year ago promising to rip up human rights law to get at terrorists.

There is still no version of Brexit that includes a solution for Ireland, is there?

Not without burning the confidence and supply agreement.

just caught some hilarious BBC spin on the wireless:"..the atmosphere at Blenheim Palace was very cordial and the discussion was a very productive one.."

Also, British attitudes to migration have actually been improving since the referendum. The proportion of people who see migration as being positive for the UK - both economically and culturally - has been going up over the last few years. Then again, this is how backlashes work isn't it?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhvF0BDXkAEJonH.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/10/article-0-03E167430000044D-625_634x622.jpg

it was followed by their correspondent adding that he hadn't seen a PM humiliated/trashed so much by a US prez before. It's a strange feeling when someone is such a neo-Fascist that he even makes Khan look like a lefty.

I felt the faintest twinge of sympathy, just for a second, until I read that she was going to promise him to rip up “red tape” for a deal. Instant regret.

I occasionally find Sadiq Khan's carefully studied blandness irritating but it's moments like this that make you realise why he does it, the avalanche of shit he would get otherwise.

He gets an avalanche no matter what and it’s fucking disgusting. You only have to see what a sitting Tory MP tweeted about him last night.

strong & stabledesperately pleading for chlorinated chicken

strong and stable vs very stable genius

whoever wins... we lose

Bannon on Good Morning Britain with Cuntface Morgan was inevitable but the show only gets around 0.6-0.7M viewers a day thankfully.

you have to wonder what appalling sins susanna reid must have committed in a former life in order to suffe the extraordinary punishment of appearing on live tv with piers fucking moron every day

@CNN
In Trump's interview with The Sun during his UK visit he also said, "You don't hear the word 'England' as much as you should. I miss the name England."

If he's being fed these lines then yes you certainly do not hear England as much as, say, a couple of days ago.

Susanna Reid in that "i'm a communist you idiot" video is pretty fire

i mean i never watch this shit but i'm amused as fuck to see her taking the role of "voice of not fascist cretins"

so basically Fabricant posted a pic of Khan getting fucked by a pig, and somebody noticed on his profile pic that he has the apartheid-era SA flag on his study wall. He might be a bit dodgy would be an understatement.

You poor fuckers are getting jordan peterson this weekend, too. Time to sink the whole island.

i don't think our mainstream news outlets will give much of one fuck about Peterson tbf

Fabricant with an apartheid flag in his study, christ only knows what's underneath the wig

Might keep the televised interviews to less than half an hour this time around then.

tbf SV i only really listen to the odd bit of Radio 4 so i'm not in any position to comment

can't believe michael fabricunt has turned out to be a wrong 'un