the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

Yeah but that’s not how it’s panning out is it? It’s the subset that’s driving the whole hard Brexit approach - a position that has no majority in Parliament or among the general public. Why is it even being discussed as a real option? Because this subset is being pandered to, as though they could possibly be appeased.

from the grauniad's liveblog

When the American president travels, a pool reporter from the White House press corps is always with him, filing a pool report for the press generally. These describe what he is doing in minute-by-minute detail. Some of the information is quite mundane, but in the light of the huge interest in Trump, I will be quoting them today. Here is the one about Trump leaving the US embassy.

POTUS. is accompanied by aides including John Kelly, John Bolton and Stephen Miller for at least this portion of the trip. The aides boarded another chopper as Woody Johnson, US ambassador to Britain, lifted off with POTUS in in Marine One at 9:01 am.

Before boarding, POTUS paused before your pool, pointed to the pool, fiddled with his suit jacket, and did a fist pump or two.

jesus christ

C'mon, one, or two. Decide.

FAKE NEWS

I totally believe those lines came from Farage fwiw. I doubt Trump has many reasons to care about the specific flavour of Brexit, or Brexit at all really.

Why is it even being discussed as a real option? Because this subset is being pandered to, as though they could possibly be appeased.

A lot will depend on whether or not May is able to ride this out, she's clearly banking on the fact that the headbangers don't exist in sufficient numbers to prevent the Chequers deal, and that there is very limited appetite among Tory MPs for suddenly seizing control of the wheel - and that calculation seems to be holding for now. Most Tory MPs probably know that jumping on this particular bandwagon is a recipe for career oblivion, which is why Gove, Fox etc are still in their positions. Clearly Murdoch has decided May needs to go, but his influence isn't what it

The fact that Gove is still there is significant, for sure.

Yep, when it looks like Trump's backing probably backfired on Marine le Pen, Gove would be bonkers to throw his lot in with him.

They also know that the public is highly unlikely to thank them for suddenly plunging the country into further uncertainty with the cliff edge approaching, especially as there's no majority for what they want in the first place - either within Parliament or the country. A putative Boris Johnson-led government wouldn't be able to get its Brexit legislation through Parliament and they know it.

The government only got above 40% last year with most UKIP votes breaking in their favour. The fairly persistent painting of labour as too interested in foreigners/minorities/hostile to women is done with a point - none of these people have the slightest interest in taking any responsibility for their actions if they can shift the blame to ready scapegoats.

Like I know where you’re coming from but when Steve Bannon is being soft-pedalled on breakfast tv to millions of people, and when you look at some of the ties between all these groups, they’re not going to care about the normal standards of doing things.

Lest we forget May, who is now being bashed as a traitor/appeaser/too soft appeared on tv just over a year ago promising to rip up human rights law to get at terrorists.

There is still no version of Brexit that includes a solution for Ireland, is there?

Not without burning the confidence and supply agreement.

just caught some hilarious BBC spin on the wireless:"..the atmosphere at Blenheim Palace was very cordial and the discussion was a very productive one.."

Also, British attitudes to migration have actually been improving since the referendum. The proportion of people who see migration as being positive for the UK - both economically and culturally - has been going up over the last few years. Then again, this is how backlashes work isn't it?

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it was followed by their correspondent adding that he hadn't seen a PM humiliated/trashed so much by a US prez before. It's a strange feeling when someone is such a neo-Fascist that he even makes Khan look like a lefty.

I felt the faintest twinge of sympathy, just for a second, until I read that she was going to promise him to rip up “red tape” for a deal. Instant regret.

I occasionally find Sadiq Khan's carefully studied blandness irritating but it's moments like this that make you realise why he does it, the avalanche of shit he would get otherwise.

He gets an avalanche no matter what and it’s fucking disgusting. You only have to see what a sitting Tory MP tweeted about him last night.

strong & stabledesperately pleading for chlorinated chicken

strong and stable vs very stable genius

whoever wins... we lose

Bannon on Good Morning Britain with Cuntface Morgan was inevitable but the show only gets around 0.6-0.7M viewers a day thankfully.

you have to wonder what appalling sins susanna reid must have committed in a former life in order to suffe the extraordinary punishment of appearing on live tv with piers fucking moron every day

@CNN
In Trump's interview with The Sun during his UK visit he also said, "You don't hear the word 'England' as much as you should. I miss the name England."

If he's being fed these lines then yes you certainly do not hear England as much as, say, a couple of days ago.

Susanna Reid in that "i'm a communist you idiot" video is pretty fire

i mean i never watch this shit but i'm amused as fuck to see her taking the role of "voice of not fascist cretins"

so basically Fabricant posted a pic of Khan getting fucked by a pig, and somebody noticed on his profile pic that he has the apartheid-era SA flag on his study wall. He might be a bit dodgy would be an understatement.

You poor fuckers are getting jordan peterson this weekend, too. Time to sink the whole island.

i don't think our mainstream news outlets will give much of one fuck about Peterson tbf

Fabricant with an apartheid flag in his study, christ only knows what's underneath the wig

Might keep the televised interviews to less than half an hour this time around then.

tbf SV i only really listen to the odd bit of Radio 4 so i'm not in any position to comment

can't believe michael fabricunt has turned out to be a wrong 'un

NV, it was Peterson's interview with Cathy Newman on ch4 news that brought him to the attention of mainstream media, mostly as a result of misogynistic criticism of her on twitter and reddit etc.

i've seen and was aware of that interview. i'm not sure how much all round public impact C4 News has and i can remember being surprised that Newman was allowed to call him out because most of Channel 4 reeks of libertarians most of the time, more like Challop 4 imo.

points taken tho.

i mean maybe it speaks to something that it was C4 that wanted to interview him at all, not sure it was intended to be set up as a roasting.

The criticism mostly seemed to be people deliberately misunderstanding the way you would ask someone questions to narrow and clarify their position. Not that it was great.

this fuckin guy

Q: [From the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg] You have changed your tune on trade. What you said about May, is that the behaviour of a friend?

Trump says he did not criticise the PM. He says a story was done that did not put in what he said about May. He says he records his interviews. The story was “fake news”.

i've seen and was aware of that interview. i'm not sure how much all round public impact C4 News has and i can remember being surprised that Newman was allowed to call him out because most of Channel 4 reeks of libertarians most of the time, more like Challop 4 imo.

points taken tho.

― more like Toss, Ow amirite? (Noodle Vague), Friday, July 13, 2018 1:53 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean maybe it speaks to something that it was C4 that wanted to interview him at all, not sure it was intended to be set up as a roasting.

― more like Toss, Ow amirite? (Noodle Vague), Friday, July 13, 2018 1:54 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think any of that really tallies with Channel 4's news output, tbh. They broke the Cambridge Analytica story on TV news a few months back, I don't really see much that could be characterised as "libertarian" in C4's news broadcasts, but perhaps you've seen more than me.

Is he sacking off the Sun? This is some alien vs predator shit

it's a combo of hating Krishnan Guru-Murthy and thinking about their wider current affairs/documentary output, including a lot of the soft "Secret Millionaire"/"Let's Meet Some People With Legitimate Concerns" stuff that they broadcast *a lot*

but i do think in trying to establish themselves as an "alternative" voice they drift into dickwit-adjacent alternatives on occasion

What’s wrong with KG-M?

He's an idiot

eraserhead hair iirc

this is an underdeveloped thought that i'm not developing on a warm Friday afternoon and probly needs to go elsewhere but there are commonalities between my more boring lefty/righty retweet-happy friends and their sources that are constant sources of minor sadness and exasperation. the lines of flight between Bannon-Jones-Peterson and AnotherAngryVoice-RT-TheFuckingCanary etc are tangly as fuck and definitely a thing

KG-M was a smug fucking centrist cunt before it was even that fashionable

centrists love Trump and all, he's their boogeyman, their justification every bit as much as Momentum or the Wokenet. fascists are always the stick end of centrist carrot/stick politics.

I’ll concede to the wider opinion on him because I never really watch c4 but I did like his destruction of the attempted lines about Corbyn after his terrorism speech last year.

He's an idiot

So's Jon Snow but at least he means well.

jon snow knows nothing iirc

is there a term for this whole morass of not-quite-alt-right online brains trustees where i'm prepared to believe the people aren't real nazis but they're just as likely to approvingly drop a Peterson article on their Facebook as they are an RT black ops piece?

bg if you're doing GoT jokes can you leave a footnote cos i have no idea