the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

Sure, but I was thinking about Windrush. I was also thinking about a catastrophically awful tweet about one of the fbpe leading lights about something Trump has done along the lines of “this would never happen here”; they were deluged with evidence to the contrary. It’s a really crap stream of ideology that runs from unironically proclaiming that child separation policies would never happen here to telling people to shut up about Iraq. The hard right don’t need a majority of follower when they have useful idiots.

Centrists all idiots, wdn't categorize them as useful ;)

That’s a hard line, Lenin was the one who came up with the term :D

yeah, otm. If you were one of the Windrush victims you'd be wondering what the fucking difference is between Trump's hardline fuckery and ours.

if this is the case then it is true not just of Trump's base but of most rich-world populations. Britain detains children. It breaks up families. It raids primary schools. UK children's NGOs collude with it. Not everything has to fit *your idea* of what happened in Nazi Germany. pic.twitter.com/mJ0DrG1xQ6

— michael (@Sisyphusa) June 16, 2018

It's true, tho of course there are people on either side of the human rights argument who might make that point

Jeremy Corbyn spoke at the #TrumpProtest in Trafalgar Square saying: "when somebody on a global stage condemns Muslims because they are Muslims it is not acceptable and we will call it out." pic.twitter.com/VhAsWnCfQd

— Miqdaad Versi (@miqdaad) July 13, 2018

I did not know JC was going to speak at this rally! Good for him!

Oh yeah and the novichok story just got madder - the bottle it came from was found in the couple’s house.

slight correction: it seems they weren't cohabiting and the bottle was found in the man's house

Pub rumours which I assumed had come from the gutter media was that they were a couple of scratters that had acquired the stuff thru robbing it h accident

Ah, sorry! It’s still completely wtfffffff though

one of the rumours I heard from the tv gutter press (bbc newsnight) was that that they probably chanced upon the bottle whilst combing skips in the area. But the tone of their report (whilst Dawn Sturgess was still in intensive care) was SCRATTERS! DRUGGIES! Just go trawl through their private social media as you like.

https://e3.365dm.com/18/07/1096x616/skynews-novichok-vodka-bristol_4359775.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180712103416

the less said about this .. the better.

Yeah I'm field reporting not condoning

If you're going to go all the trouble of attempting to assassinate a former Russian spy then just leaving the nerve agent bottle in a skip seems careless to say the least.

It does raise questions doesn't it?

As Putin put it "it if were us they would be dead" so ...

I find it hard to believe FSB assassination standards of professionalism has dropped to such a low in this era, that they are leaving dangerous/incriminating materials in skips. but wtf knows anything these days?

Standards slipping everywhere, not like in my day etc.

they haven't outsourced their famous Cheka to some ATOS style nightmare ffs, have they?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiA3mraW0AAIWDq.jpg

one of our corpses is missing!

lol that is desperate

i'm not condoning this either, because fuck any kind of ad hom, but it seems to me that if Trump had been on the Mail's enemy list they'd have been ripping the piss out of his suit, stance, etc in that picture

aye he should at least be holding her piss-bag and then kneeling a bent fucked up knee!

Splendour.

LOL the Mail is so ridiculous, the subeditors must be pissing themselves putting this stuff together.

talk about "shackled to a corpse"!

"corpses" tbf

zombie remake of The Defiant Ones

I love the fact that 'pomp' is a unambiguously good term to them.

I'm not seeing a whole lot of "splendour" in that hallway. It looks like any grandma's house.

> I find it hard to believe FSB assassination standards of professionalism has dropped to such a low

there was quite a trail of polonium left across London the previous time, traceable by it's radioactivity

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/11/litvinenko-killers-radiation-trail-london-inquiry

yeah but I thought it would be difficult not to leave traces of such a highly radioactive material, and presume these were just barely traceable and benign radioactive hotspots left behind. As opposed to deadly traces of nerve agent at large, with the potential of killing random civilians. This type of sloppy practice should be discouraged in the assassins regs!

Hang on, are the mail calling the Queen a pygmy???

Xps

I’m curious as to what alternative theory conspiracists can can up with that accounts for all the weird stuff that they’re currently pointing out as inconsistencies (why it hasn’t been deadly in 80% of the cases, why the Skripals were both fine for hours and then both got ill at the same time despite being different weights, ages, etc, why the delivery mechanism of the door handle was chosen when any rain would have rendered it ineffective, why Russia would even bother trying to kill an old spy they’d let out of prison years ago, etc).

Not many of those things would be straightforwardly explained by someone else (the U.K., US, Ukraine, etc) using Novichok in a false-flag operation.

" why Russia would even bother trying to kill an old spy they’d let out of prison years ago, etc"

this is why I don't believe it has anything to do with Putin, he has so little to gain from this mess and could have offed Skripal years ago if he was worried he knew too much, or wanted to make an example of him.

some of the people that post the conspiracy theory stuff on this subtract all their credibility by retweeting Galloway tweets, but they might be even be right about some things!

False flag operation theories just strike me as moronic tbh. Incompetent freelancer theories less so, although it doesn't sound like novichok is exactly easy to get hold of.

TBH I try not to read this stuff because it's basically opting to stick your head in the sewer.

Just because the official story doesn't seem to add up - it doesn't mean you then need to sign up to any alternative theories which are also full of holes, unless that theory is 'fuck knows', which is looking pretty solid right now

I can't really fathom any explanation that makes much sense for all the Novichok business. Some kind of lower level non-governmental Russian-linked hit on Skripal perhaps, that was ham-fistedly done? The "UK (or other country) did it to make it look like Russia did it" conspiracy theory seems a bit too much.... but yeah at this stage (and maybe always) "fuck knows"!

I think you'd need to wait decades (maybe even quite a lot of them) and have some Poirot have unfettered access to UK and Russian secret service archives, before even getting close to wtf is really going on now!

Was there ever a fully fleshed out 'official story'? The reason for the diplomatic crisis was the novichok is supposedly only from Russia, meaning it somehow, someway was linked to Russia. Was it ever more detailed?

our official response was initially a comedy hardman offering Russia out!

I think the Russians took it as a Mr Bean pastiche.

The lack of a fully fleshed-out story is part of the problem. The government line on some of the details hasn’t been consistent but the gist of the case is “well, who else is it going to have been?”.

The (inevitable) degree of secrecy around a wide range of things including whether Porton Down also makes Novichok (which it legally can iirc), whether Skripal was still actively involved in espionage, etc, whether there is a degree of certainty around Russia having a bio-weapons programme, etc will always encourage odd theories but the shifty way in which the government has managed the bits of information it can, or wants to, get out there hasn’t helped.

None of which means Russia didn’t do it, but the degree of hamfistedness around the public handling of the investigation, combined with a widespread distrust of the security services and government, has probably led to a higher degree of scepticism than you’d get otherwise.

a trustworthy spook is probably not doing their job tbf

It was all a setup to make Corbyn look weak /jezbot

Must say even for the Mail that 'protest shames Britain' line feels like new depths. "rent a lefty"! If people got paid to show up I need a slice of that action. Just algorithm words collage front pages as their death throes climax.

never forget that parallel Dacre-verse where May won a huge majority and some saboteurs grapes got crushed...