lol
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 10:39 (five years ago) link
BONUS Episode: Twisted SESTA ft. @ConnerHabib š¹š„š¦šŗ https://t.co/hE6VyLnCj3— Chapo Trap House (@CHAPOTRAPHOUSE) July 17, 2018
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:26 (five years ago) link
^^interesting stuff in there about the left's weird, divergent takes on sex work and sex workers
― Simon H., Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
yea I heard someone say Bernie is "bust" because he voted for SESTA. they said "we can do better"................ you sure???
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
well it is god awful. corbyn supports the nordic model too. daft old men
― ( Ķ”ā ĶŹ Ķ”ā) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:25 (five years ago) link
Conner Habib wrote a rather shitty article repeatedly referring to an acquaintance of mine who works with people forced into sex work as an āanti-sex bigot.ā SESTA does seem massively wrong-headed though.
― JoeStork, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I know a couple of people who have had toxic experiences with sex work and I'm not at all eager to downplay the real risk of harms, the tricky part is disentangling what harms are "innate" to sex work and what's related specifically to sex work under present conditions. (For any lurkers who aren't going to click that link, there's a fourth mic on the ep who's a sex worker.)
― Simon H., Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
Moshe Kasher also had a recent episode on Sex Workersā Rights with USC Prof Heather Berg, Conner Habib, Guy Brannum, and Kara Klenk. They talk about both legal and extralegal work.
https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/show/houndtall/id/6805357
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 23:20 (five years ago) link
ahahahhahahaha
Unlike Russia, for example, America has a crumbling, third-world transportation infrastructure, a bloated, prohibitively expensive healthcare system and no paid maternity leave to speak of so I donāt want to hear another word of ātreasonā from the collusion truthers— Anna Khachiyan (@annakhachiyan) July 18, 2018
they have bullet trains in moscow?
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 01:02 (five years ago) link
"collusion truthers"
Russia is a futuristic public infrastructure dreamland. Afaict all cars have automated GOPRO to memorialize the sundry pleasures of driving there.
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 01:08 (five years ago) link
Russia hacked the DNC so Trump would give us maternity leave— QuinoašAppropriator (@MattAlwaysWrong) July 18, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 01:41 (five years ago) link
Yes, they do (Sapsan). You can do Moscow to St Petersburg in four hours at 290 km/h. I suspect sheās at least partly trolling though.
fwiw, I disagree with the characterisation of her as a potential paleo-conservative. Personal unpleasantness aside, her scepticism of liberal feminism, mild streak of cultural essentialism, etc, etc, are not very uncommon on the left in Europe, particularly in the FSU. She basically sounds like a lot of Russian liberals rather than an iconoclast.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 04:40 (five years ago) link
Having followed from afar the illnesses and deaths of two of my in-laws in Russia over the past few years, I can attest that a health care system based around idea "fuck you. Go find somewhere to die" is probably less bloated and expensive than ours.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 12:53 (five years ago) link
wow, I hadn't read her twitter feed in a long time, it's actually much shittier and less smart than I remembered
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:46 (five years ago) link
Xp, yes I donāt think anyone in good faith could support a system where surgeons earn $6000 a year and healthcare is āfreeā only in the sense that the cash you pay them to bribe your way into treatment is not on any official books.
But again, she doesnāt seem particularly interested in how anywhere other than a small portion of the US works in practice.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
a note on the book just posted on their Patreon:
Have You Considered Buying the Book?Hi everyone,Greetings and semper games. As you may have heard, we have a book coming out. While a lot of people have already sprung for a pre-order, we wanted to touch base with you, the subscribers who fund Chapo, seeing as we still donāt take money from advertisers like WonderWear, the antimicrobial one-piece pajamas with the special moisture wicking ass-flap, or MealMe, the company that will send you all the ingredients for a healthy meal and a disposable chef to cook it for you.We are genuinely excited about the book. Its rallying cry is that weak willed, compromise-humping liberalism cannot resist fascism, i.e. the current collection of brain-melted psychopaths we call the Republican Party. Itās an unrelenting indictment of the so-called #Resistance, the Democrats, and (for all you tankies out there) the social-democratic half measure of American progressivism. The book is, if you like, a prequel to the show ā it lays out the backstory of the people, events, and history that have led us to this particular Verhoeven-esque moment in American history. It is Chapo: Origins. Above all, we really had fun writing it, and we truly hope you will have the same experience reading it.For us, selling our book is not about money. Sure, if sales go astronomical, itās possible the publisher and the show will make something back. But far more important to us is the pure spectacle the book will ignite if we manage to get in that Bestseller VIP Section, easily done if each one of you pre-ordered a copy before Aug 21. You know what that would mean....It would mean we could force the smug gatekeepers of conventional wisdom to take socialism seriously; it would mean we could force the worst people in the world to read us owning them ā and have them write about it. It would mean we could knock fucking Hillbilly Elegy or 12 Rules for Dating My Wife off the list. It would mean we could reach people like your lib parent who still has faith in Chuck Schumer, or your apolitical coworker who doesnāt yet hate his boss enough.Imagine David Brooks having to engage with NoFap as political praxis. Imagine Ezra Klein and Matty Yglesias having to Voxplain their long-forgotten support for the Iraq War. Imagine the National Review having to prove that William F. Buckley didnāt officially die in 1977, only to continue to his abominable "un-life" jacking off in coffins and haunting America for thirty more years of op-eds.Perhaps more than anything, imagine sending a message ā through your favorite large failchildrenā to the lib, centrist, establishment pundit class: Get out of the way. Weāre done with you. You say say we canāt violate the norms, or have socialized healthcare and a planned economy? We say fuck off. We want socialism, the return of the vastly-underrated TV show Becker, and the abolition of ICE. And weāll do it ourselves if we have to.This is what we want from the book release. If you want it too, please join us in the greatest Duck Hunt yet. Buy the book (and preferably not from Jeff Bezor at Amazon).H.A.G.S.,Chapo
Hi everyone,Greetings and semper games. As you may have heard, we have a book coming out. While a lot of people have already sprung for a pre-order, we wanted to touch base with you, the subscribers who fund Chapo, seeing as we still donāt take money from advertisers like WonderWear, the antimicrobial one-piece pajamas with the special moisture wicking ass-flap, or MealMe, the company that will send you all the ingredients for a healthy meal and a disposable chef to cook it for you.
We are genuinely excited about the book. Its rallying cry is that weak willed, compromise-humping liberalism cannot resist fascism, i.e. the current collection of brain-melted psychopaths we call the Republican Party. Itās an unrelenting indictment of the so-called #Resistance, the Democrats, and (for all you tankies out there) the social-democratic half measure of American progressivism. The book is, if you like, a prequel to the show ā it lays out the backstory of the people, events, and history that have led us to this particular Verhoeven-esque moment in American history. It is Chapo: Origins. Above all, we really had fun writing it, and we truly hope you will have the same experience reading it.
For us, selling our book is not about money. Sure, if sales go astronomical, itās possible the publisher and the show will make something back. But far more important to us is the pure spectacle the book will ignite if we manage to get in that Bestseller VIP Section, easily done if each one of you pre-ordered a copy before Aug 21. You know what that would mean....
It would mean we could force the smug gatekeepers of conventional wisdom to take socialism seriously; it would mean we could force the worst people in the world to read us owning them ā and have them write about it. It would mean we could knock fucking Hillbilly Elegy or 12 Rules for Dating My Wife off the list. It would mean we could reach people like your lib parent who still has faith in Chuck Schumer, or your apolitical coworker who doesnāt yet hate his boss enough.
Imagine David Brooks having to engage with NoFap as political praxis. Imagine Ezra Klein and Matty Yglesias having to Voxplain their long-forgotten support for the Iraq War. Imagine the National Review having to prove that William F. Buckley didnāt officially die in 1977, only to continue to his abominable "un-life" jacking off in coffins and haunting America for thirty more years of op-eds.
Perhaps more than anything, imagine sending a message ā through your favorite large failchildrenā to the lib, centrist, establishment pundit class: Get out of the way. Weāre done with you. You say say we canāt violate the norms, or have socialized healthcare and a planned economy? We say fuck off. We want socialism, the return of the vastly-underrated TV show Becker, and the abolition of ICE. And weāll do it ourselves if we have to.
This is what we want from the book release. If you want it too, please join us in the greatest Duck Hunt yet. Buy the book (and preferably not from Jeff Bezor at Amazon).
H.A.G.S.,
Chapo
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:48 (five years ago) link
the return of the vastly-underrated TV show Becker,
Virgil wrote this bit, I bet $1000
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
#libtears
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
I think the world would be a slightly better place if they had never written the book
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
one for the book jacket
― Simon H., Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:59 (five years ago) link
― BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link
ā Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive)
I'm looking forward to it now! I like that it'll give more background on the hosts.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
I don't think you're gonna get that - I'm expecting more Christman-style US historical context, not personal biography.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
āWeāre not doing this to make moneyā - oh fuck off
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
You don't believe they did it to make Chuck Schumer cry?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
ā Simon H., Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:20 PM
"The book is, if you like, a prequel to the show ā it lays out the backstory of the people, events, and history that have led us to this particular Verhoeven-esque moment in American history. It is Chapo: Origins. Above all, we really had fun writing it, and we truly hope you will have the same experience reading it."
close enough
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
"we didn't do it for $$$" is def disingenuous but I would be surprised if the book is anywhere near as lucrative as touring or (strictly in their case) podcasting, esp as profits are split many more ways (not just the publisher but also the illustrators - Eli Valley etc)
― Simon H., Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
ā louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:22 PM
i too took every word of their statement at face value
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
Since they've proposed buying the book to own the cons over and over I don't think it's quite as irony drenched as you want to think.
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
ehh, some fascist sheriff will probably release a book the same week and stay at #1 the rest of the summer
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:18 (five years ago) link
Sure, if sales go astronomical, itās possible the publisher and the show will make something back.
umm unless they took a monster advance, it will be pretty easy for both the publisher & the show to make something back on this.
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:46 (five years ago) link
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:22 (five years ago) link
Tim Faust called into our podcast ep on Medicare for All. He really _is_ that great.
https://soundcloud.com/givingthemic/organizing-for-medicare-for-allwith-riley-brann-and-tim-faust
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:31 (five years ago) link
tiiiiiiiiiiim
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
Heās speaking in Eugene tonight and Portland tomorrow night
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 19 July 2018 23:57 (five years ago) link
Really kind of burnt out on these guys. I keep listening because i havenāt found my next fix but often donāt finish episodes. They served a much more important and cathartic function for me before Trump won.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 20 July 2018 00:53 (five years ago) link
I have been enjoying the show more since I stopped giving them money lol
I've tried out probably two dozen other lefty podcasts that have spawned in its wake and tbh none of them are as reliably entertaining to me. The closest is probably either Champagne Sharks or Struggle Session. (I will be listening to yours tho kingfish!) People who haven't ttried 'casting may not get that doing it well and consistently is actually not that easy!
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:04 (five years ago) link
I'm getting more into Street Fight lately. Finding it easier to connect with flyover dirtbag dads than NY media people.
― louise ck (milo z), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:07 (five years ago) link
Street Fight is great and the clear grandaddy for this whole phenomenon, I just can't keep up with their output!
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:12 (five years ago) link
Iāve been liking the recent Dig eps. I like hearing about strategy and policy and not just theory although thatās important too.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:22 (five years ago) link
The Dig is nice to dip into every once in a while, it's just a tad too NPR Left for me
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:51 (five years ago) link
I've been obsessing over tone, form and stuff because I'm recording the trial ep of a pod about the intersection of tech + politics in a few weeks with some v smart friends of mine and I would really like it to not suck lol
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:58 (five years ago) link
yet another ep where they talk over women way too much, first Will interrupting Karina Moreno with flat out wrong information (and Brendan at least interrupting her with someone informed thoughts), followed by Matt not shutting the fuck up with his unfunny generic english guy impression so we can hear Amber's account of what actually sounds like an interesting trip, at which point I just turned it off
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 20 July 2018 15:01 (five years ago) link
i liked ashley feinberg on it a lot, but they really didn't sell her jokes
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
I feel like they constantly talk over each other in general and it stands out more with women because there are fewer of them, but tbh as a producer crosstalk quietly infuriates me so maybe I'm just not picking up on the gendered aspect amidst my generalized annoyance
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link
lmao at Felix's line about Trump having "minotaur dysphoria"
― flappy bird, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
"just try and get out of my maze"
Tiger Mom being a guide to furry parenting was a good oen
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link
lol yes
― flappy bird, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link