Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

What's next? Big Tobacco sues smokers?

This would be big tobacco suing family members of smokers

Or 7/11.

Big Tobacco suing family members of 9/11 victims

The optics are terrible. But presumably this is in response to victim/relative lawsuits.

I've seen the compilation of security footage, and were I a jury member in any of these cases, I'd find no reason to hold MGM responsible. The sort of surveillance, and intrusion into luggage or room privacy that might have prevented this, would also be so oppressive to ordinary non-terrorist customers that they'd choose competing hotels.

If random terrorism by dedicated and secretive perpetrators is to be prevented, its mainly a law-enforcement and firearms law issue.

If we don’t hold private firms liable for horrible deadly violence that happens on their property, the motivation to change our laws is basically kneecapped. But you do you, my man.

Presuming you've seen the [NYT video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZRgVX8SYX4), what would you have done differently as MGM?

Should hoteliers track all their guests day by day, when they haven't exhibited any signs of their plans (besides moving luggage into their room on several days)? MGM could perhaps have prevented this, but it would have required that they track every time a high-roller moves luggage into their room, demand to inspect luggage before bringing it to rooms, and staff themselves with enough security personnel to monitor all visitors. No hotelier in the world could do this with every guest, and stay in business.

Ilxor still doesn’t support Markdown

Anyway Tombot’s point is not that there’s an obvious reason to find the hotel liable it’s that nobody is ever going to get a dime out of the gun people and getting a jury to bleed some other deep-pocketed entity when something like this happens could have positive downstream effects on gun policy by obliging said deep-pocketed entities to take a financial interest.

That ignores the role of liability insurance. If MGM loses lawsuits, beyond a tolerable (to MGM) threshold the cost is just spread to all hotel guests in the future, through higher insurance premiums paid by hoteliers.

It will always be cheaper to pay insurance premiums than oppressive levels of security, and always be more effective to advocate for gun purchase licencing or other forms of control, than financially punish bystanders.

^than for intrusive and to many guests intrusive and oppressive levels of security...

today in least surprising things ever

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-trader-joe-shooting-20180724-story.html

Fucking pigs not releasing the name of the officer

That’s my local store, I’m usually in there on weekends with the kid. Chances are I wouldn’t have been there at this exact time anyway, but at the time of this one I was in a plane headed to Chicago. Deplaned to half a dozen texts and I imagined the absolute worst obv, since most of them were cautiously and very vaguely wondering if we were okay because of what happened there. This is bad enough, I recognized her from the store and saw here there within the past week.

Also I think this is the third time in the past couple weeks I’ve noted a story where the police were shooting like crazy with civilians around. One the other one was where LVPD were pursuing a couple guys to a school and one was shooting at them through his own windshield.

Fucking Hell: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/brookside-drive-fredericton-police-1.4780396

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/26/jacksonville-florida-mass-shooting

Fucking christ. I don't live there but I visit that area for concerts often.

Multiple fatalities.

Breaking: The shooter was a gamer who was competing in the tournament and lost, one of the competitors told the L.A. Times https://t.co/zsHA2Z6KpJ

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) August 26, 2018

Second gamer murder rampage in a week.

https://www.kusi.com/youtube-star-mcskillet-identified-as-mclaren-driver-in-fatal-i-805-crash/

xps More surprised it was Madden than another game

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/08/26/mass-shooting-jacksonville-fla-authorities-say/?utm_term=.66d841fb1822

Gun control advocates seized on the moment Sunday to call for action against gun violence.

“My thoughts are with everyone impacted by the shooting today at the Jacksonville Landing — but thoughts are not enough,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said on Twitter. “As we continue to track developments, it’s clear Congress must stop stalling & act to protect Americans from the daily tragedy of gun violence.”

“How many mass shootings in your state will it take for you to do something?” David Hogg tweeted to U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.).

National Rifle Association spokeswoman Dana Loesch, meanwhile, called for an end to “gun free zones” and said security should be in place to keep people safe.

Yea that woulda stopped it.

FUCKING ASSHOLE

Just followed up on this and found out the video game shooter went to my high school and grew up on a street where several of my friends lived.

At least two dead and four injured in Cincinnati today: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/crime-and-courts/2018/09/06/active-shooter-multiple-people-shot-downtown-cincinnati-dispatch-says/1210202002/

Well this is terrifying and awful

https://www.bakersfield.com/news/six-dead-five-victims-and-suspect-in-southeast-bakersfield-shooting/article_44494978-b700-11e8-b57e-77db47621e40.html

too too awful.

and the stories like this might reduce best to crazed people heavily armed, that’s the most _useful_ takeaway.

but my brain wants to try to see a story. “who shoots a guy at a store, then turns and shoots his OWN wife? then runs another down to kill HIM? then jacks a car, but lets the mom/kid live- what’s that permission? mercy? and” *record scratch sound*

no hunt3r, it’s crazed person, heavily armed. this is what 27% of usa thinks autonomy and liberty must involve. its their hell and we live in it.

it's the new super suicide. i think it's that simple. really, really scary.

i wondered if he suspected the store guy of sleeping with his wife or something & thats how it kicked off? idk
the whole thing is so grim & scary it feels bad to speculate but here i am

it was the best answer i could think of as to why he would go to the store & shoot shop guy first -then- his wife

but after that, who knows. all of it is crazy

more details today somewhat confirm part of my theory

https://www.bakersfield.com/news/bitter-divorce-may-have-fueled-bakersfield-shooting-rampage/article_9e053e82-b7bd-11e8-bc20-3bb7f16cb815.html#tncms-source=article-nav-next

Active shooter in Wisconsin.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/wjynqz/active-shooter-confirmed-at-office-building-in-middleton-wisconsin?utm_soutce=dmfb

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/20/us/maryland-shooting/index.html - Maryland

And local sadness yesterday, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/woman-dead-in-burien-shooting-suspect-at-large/ - drive-by shooting misses target and kills an office receptionist.

We have a synagogue shooting going on in Pittsburgh right now.

Multiple fatalities damn it

We are being moved 2 blocks to northumberland and murray avenue

At least 2 officers shot, 4 reported dead at this hour.

Active shooting still taking place at Tree of Life Synagogue

We will be live in minutes on @KDKA. @AndySheehankdka also will be live. pic.twitter.com/r5NIHIj1Tx

— Meghan Schiller (@MeghanKDKA) October 27, 2018

This is looking horrible.

Hmm, I know lots of people from Pittsburgh's Jewish community, but I don't think any of them still live there. This is horrible.

Fucking hell.

He was apparently shouting 'all Jews need to die'.

White male, incidentally. Of course we'll soon be told this has nothing to do with Trump whatsoever.

the MAGA line is that his Twitter was full of anti-"globalist"/anti-Trump rhetoric because Trump is pro-Israel. He's def one of the people feeling empowered by how fucking nuts everything is right now, but he's not pro-Trump.

Ugh.

#BREAKING: Suspect has surrendered. He is injured. Here is the scene just a few blocks away from the synagogue. At least 8 people killed @KDKA pic.twitter.com/AwhjC3iyH4

— Meghan Schiller (@MeghanKDKA) October 27, 2018

Repeal the 2nd amendment everybody

that'd take 60 years

I'm confused by JCLC's post, do we already know who the suspect is?

Yes, the name's out there, as are tweets.