the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

Oh and by the way, fuck the complicit media letting people parrot “no deal is better than a bad deal” completely unchallenged. That something favoured by maybe 10% of people at an absolute maximum is seriously under consideration is nothing less than a dereliction of duty and everyone who let this shit go by unchallenged or undiscussed deserves to be completely ashamed.

wow otm.

Yep.

I should say I am a naturally pessimistic person (no shit) and I hope what SV says is true, but I am almost as angry this morning as I was when the vote happens and regardless of the outcome nobody should ever forgive or forget this.

two most likely outcomes BRINO or no deal ?

I’m confused. I thought after the 2017 GE the parliamentary arithmetic meant that hard brexit was dead in the water but all of a sudden everyone seems to be talking up the prospects of no deal being the most likely deal ?!

It would be dead in the water if May was prepared to oppose it, but she isn't. It's difficult to overstate how colossaly, dangerously irresponsible she's been in trying to cling onto her job - which is obviously untenable - for so long. Or at least it would be if her likely successors weren't all even worse.

I can only assume she believes that Corbyn or the right of the Conservative party would be so damaging she needs to cling on in order to save the country from itself but it’s not a sustainable position. At some point she is going to have to face up to the ERG.

It's more about the terror of going down as Britain's worst post-war Prime Minister I think.

On page 2 of the FT this morning was an article saying that the government is going to ‘waive’ collection of customs duties and some customs inspections for a period after Brexit which sounds like they just worked out how complicated and expensive that is and how unprepared for it they are. The lost revenue will be billions.

that ship has definitely sailed xp

I can only assume she believes that Corbyn or the right of the Conservative party would be so damaging she needs to cling on in order to save the country from itself but it’s not a sustainable position. At some point she is going to have to face up to the ERG.

I'm not sure why she would object to the the right of the Conservative Party, she seems to be dancing to enough of their tunes.

She’s a racist authoritarian but I think she’s a racist authoritarian who is under fewer illusions about Britain’s global competitiveness in a situation where European airspace is closed, where the entire financial services industry has decamped to Frankfurt and Dublin, where food costs 50% more, etc, than Mogg is.

it's just super-cool that we're being steered off into the abyss by a pm no-one voted for

It's both sobering and making-me-want-to-drink that this era of unfathomable challenges is in the hand of perhaps the worst politicians in living memory, across the board.

it's an all-star lineup of idiots, fucking idiots, total fucking idiots and michael gove

She’s a racist authoritarian but I think she’s a racist authoritarian who is under fewer illusions about Britain’s global competitiveness in a situation where European airspace is closed, where the entire financial services industry has decamped to Frankfurt and Dublin, where food costs 50% more, etc, than Mogg is.

Yes, she did well to stand up to him for 5 seconds.

gyac otm

yeah

good mourning obv

extremely good country

great britain amirite

is this just the unwinding of an untenable nation, regardless of the trigger

i mean, aside from the uh "hassle", is the twenty-year end result of ireland united and dealing with/repatriating hardliners, scotland being a proper country like us, and wales being england for the non-english leaving england nakedly england without empirical uk figleaf a welcome progression if nothing else

potentially. i guess - just gotta get through the years of subsisting on soup consisting entirely of twigs and flavoured with pebbles first

well

look

i mean

it only killed a few million of us didnt it

and transatlantic travel is a piece of piss these days as i understand it

it was different for youse tho, we're actual human beings over here iirc

I love it that Tories are breaking up the UK by accident, definitely a very cunning flan. I'm ready for a steady diet of tree bark, clay and exhumed human corpses!

oh don't worry there'll be plenty of fresh ones to chew on first

The thing that Mogg etc don't seem to realise is that a disastrous hard Brexit is probably the single quickest route to Schengen and the Euro, because if the worst case scenario happens then enough people in the country will be screaming to get back into the EU. Unless they find a version of Brexit that broadly works for enough people then the whole cause is fucked.

it only killed a few million of us didnt it

A price always worth paying!

super-grim lol @ the thought of my idle “I wonder what my ancestors did to survive the Famine?” thought being answered by “guess we’re going to find out!”

At least ye are on the side of the Irish Sea with all the beef and cheese.

it's almost like being entirely insulated from hardship from birth and raised on a steady diet of swivel-eyed ideology and constant reassurance about your special status makes you an idiot xp

This shower of absolute fucking idiots

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/991570/Brexit-news-Dominic-Raab-Michel-Barnier-meeting-Chequers-White-Paper-ridiculed-errors

seeing rumours that 5pm tonight will see an announcement that Prince Phillip has died

a single bright spot in a sea of darkness

rot in hell, fascist lizard man!
xp
lol, they thought DD was too casual and untroubled by very important details.. here comes on the brightest and best of the 2010 intake!

one of the*

At least ye are on the side of the Irish Sea customs border with all the beef and cheese.

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fixed

xp has he died or are they just announcing it

who can even tell?

Greek flags to be lowered to half mast.

when they find out the rumour was false?

definitely going to have lunch from the greek food van on kelvin way in celebration

Just having a laugh at the notion of Leo “when I got in here I thought of Love Actually 🤩” Varadkar being some kind of Brit-bashing hardliner. Honestly never get over how ignorant this island is about very basic Irish politics.

Surely no deal is itself a bad deal. The orbit both parties are in is in such proximity its not like its not going to have a direct effect either way.
So surprised that it's possible to arrive at a slogan separating the 2.
Would just think that being able to get to the point where you could view it as beneficial means a level of unnaturally atomistic thought.

That's not how we ended up, it's how it started. No deal is better than a bad deal was the slogan as soon as May took over.

gyac otm again its v amusing

So we were starting from a false premise, thought so.
Not great place to build foundations really

boom

xxp me being otm or the notion of Leo being some sort of Brit basher?

leo & characterisation of same

yr otm % is high enough to go by w/out special note tbfttc

Just having a laugh at the notion of Leo “when I got in here I thought of Love Actually 🤩” Varadkar being some kind of Brit-bashing hardliner. Honestly never get over how ignorant this island is about very basic Irish politics.

Given that there's absolutely zero interest or coverage of anything to do with Ireland in the UK, let alone with Irish politics, that's no great surprise. Unless it's a colourful referendum, of course.