movies where you disagree w/ the screenwriters on who the 'good guys' are

iirc in pirates of the Caribbean the pirates’ dastardly plan is to... give Orlando bloom a tiny cut on his palm and then immediately die. That doesn’t seem so bad tbh? Kinda cunty of depp et al to put so much effort into preventing that

i think there was consequences for eg knightley as well as bloom but i mean whod weep for a pair of mannequins like em throw in harry potter and youd have done 2003-present cinema a real fuckin favour

hero of potc ii and iii is davy jones this is canon

the character known as maverick in top gun is in fact a dangerous maverick

I have vague memories of having to sit through The Beach in the cinema, with a group for someone's birthday. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I remember it, Leonardo DiCaprio's protagonist character is a terrible guy who cheats on his loved ones, disrupts the status quo not necessarily (intended) in a good way, goes on a drug trip, then offers some holier-than-thou moralising words in the end.

also rentons curve in trainspotting

Almost everyone in Love Actually is pretty horrible; same goes for most Hugh Granty movies like 4 Weddings etc.

this is because richard curtis is a fucking monster iirc

I feel the format of the thread demands that you have to indicate who you think the good guys are, and whether they’re played by Bill Nighy.

yes this is key

the guy from gattaca who is going to die on his space mission and ruin everything

The good guy in Red Dawn = the gun registration forms

the good guy in red dawn is the soviet commander iirc

not to be 'hans gruber was right' but hearing the story how the director tricked alan rickman into his death plummet reaction, i feel like the real diabolical villain of die hard was john mctiernan

the real villain is the cop who finally regains his confidence enough to shoot people

(also fuck that movie)

Was still reassigned later to the Urkel district

Also the shark in Jaws is mostly minding its own business.

― Van Horn Street, Monday, July 23, 2018 12:01 AM (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the mayor is definitely the real villain in jaws

Starship Troopers and Kiss Me Deadly are more “screenwriter has different ideas about who the bad guys are than the author of the book they’re adapting.”

feel like a lot of anti-ferris takes don't acknowledge that there's a lot of pathos in that movie due to the heavily implied sense that ferris's life post-high school is gonna be pretty bleak, and that we're witnessing the last happy period of his life.

or that a lot of his "acting out" is due to his own dawning sense of that future.

also rentons curve in trainspotting

― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, July 23, 2018 7:04 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

renton isn't meant to be a "good guy" in trainspotting. he's less bad than sick boy and begbie, worse than spud.

Cameron’s got it worse. Another nom for thread: Duckie and/or Harry Dean Stanton are the true heroes of Pretty in Pink. Molly Ringwald is just teening dopily along.

Apparently the original ending had Duckie and Andie ending up together, but that’s not necessary. Duckie learns the real lesson ( and it’s the OMD song).

duckie is an asshole though. in love with his best friend, doesn't tell her how he feels, acts all jealous and shitty when she is interested in another guy

I have vague memories of having to sit through The Beach in the cinema, with a group for someone's birthday. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I remember it, Leonardo DiCaprio's protagonist character is a terrible guy who cheats on his loved ones, disrupts the status quo not necessarily (intended) in a good way, goes on a drug trip, then offers some holier-than-thou moralising words in the end.

― Valentijn, Monday, July 23, 2018 6:55 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i watched the beach a few years ago and... yeah it's all kinda hazy, though i think the script is aware that leo's character is a dick and the perfect society he found wasn't so perfect

trying to reconstruct the beach from memory reminded me of into the wild, the movie adaptation of which was trying desperately to convince me that the main character wasn't insufferable

It's been aaaaages since I read it (or saw the movie, tbh) but iirc Spud was more the protagonist of the Trainspotting novel than Renton was.

feel like a lot of anti-ferris takes don't acknowledge that there's a lot of pathos in that movie due to the heavily implied sense that ferris's life post-high school is gonna be pretty bleak, and that we're witnessing the last happy period of his life.

Huh. I don't get that at all. Je suis Ferris, to an extent, and I did fine. I blew off months' worth of HS classes, smuggled vodka on field trips, forged library passes, may or may not have gotten high with a chemistry teacher. Went to college (of course), where I fucked off for entire semesters and mostly got away with shit by being white, male, straight, cute, reasonably clever, and having a reasonably well-to-do family with good connections.

Where is the evidence that Ferris ends up as badly off as even Lloyd Dobler (who also did fine, I suspect) or Kyle M.'s character?

Molly Ringwald and I think Duckie is gay; Jon Cryer disagrees.

been saying for years. Plenty of gay men pined for girls in high school.

Willie Wonka is a manipulative, moralising prick who thinks nothing of putting children and their parents through psychological torture and uses his wealth and power to adopt Charlie rather than going through background checks and demonstrating his fitness to be a parent.

Typical entitled Elon Musk type in short.

wait does anyone think willy wonka is the "good guy"?

he also eats babies

It's been aaaaages since I read it (or saw the movie, tbh) but iirc Spud was more the protagonist of the Trainspotting novel than Renton was.

I wouldn't say so. It's a collection of short stories refashioned as a novel and it shows, but Renton is still the main focus. As a relative innocent, Spud is the most tragic character though

Duckie is neither an asshole nor gay. He is a duckman. Duh.

what the sequel did with the characters- and this may all be in welshs work- was shite

obv luke skywalker is a dangerous terrorist

what the sequel did with the characters- and this may all be in welshs work- was shite

Welsh's sequels were a totally different kind of shite. But shite nonetheless

sequels are a general formal problem for the idea of the anti-hero: discuss

feel like a lot of anti-ferris takes don't acknowledge that there's a lot of pathos in that movie due to the heavily implied sense that ferris's life post-high school is gonna be pretty bleak, and that we're witnessing the last happy period of his life.

Agree with YMP that this is a challops. Ferris is about as privileged as someone could be.

its more that hes a cunt which is separate

frodo: was told not to wear the ring

lol yeah ferris is definitely a future wall street bro who eventually takes unacceptable risks in the lead-up to the financial crisis

re: LOTR

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/unused-audio-commentary-by-howard-zinn-and-noam-chomsky-recorded-summer-2002-for-the-fellowship-of-the-ring-platinum-series-extended-edition-dvd-part-one

no way it's barely even subtext that Ferris is fucked and his whole motivation is that his charmed existence is about to expire. Rage against the sting of the light. Yes he is privileged (and a cunt) but I dunno I still feel for the privileged cunts of my adolescence who "peaked" in high school.

That Ferris is cut and dried the "bad guy" is imo just glib counterintuitive retweet bait passing as insight.

sting = dying obv.

rage against the death sting

his charmed existence is about to expire

present textual evidence for this plz - and Ferris saying "this is all about to be over for me!" doesn't really qualify, cuz what does he know about the future? There's really nothing in the movie that presents an axe dangling over his head, that he'll have to get a shitty job or not get into college or his sister will get revenge on him, there's none of that.

xp re: Ferris. He's been weaseling out of consequences forever; what evidence is that it will stop happening?

He erases his unexcused absences via modem. You don't think he's gonna slide into college / jobs / homeownership with the same oiliness? Shit, I know I would have. And I kind of did!