movies where you disagree w/ the screenwriters on who the 'good guys' are

frodo: was told not to wear the ring

lol yeah ferris is definitely a future wall street bro who eventually takes unacceptable risks in the lead-up to the financial crisis

re: LOTR

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/unused-audio-commentary-by-howard-zinn-and-noam-chomsky-recorded-summer-2002-for-the-fellowship-of-the-ring-platinum-series-extended-edition-dvd-part-one

no way it's barely even subtext that Ferris is fucked and his whole motivation is that his charmed existence is about to expire. Rage against the sting of the light. Yes he is privileged (and a cunt) but I dunno I still feel for the privileged cunts of my adolescence who "peaked" in high school.

That Ferris is cut and dried the "bad guy" is imo just glib counterintuitive retweet bait passing as insight.

sting = dying obv.

rage against the death sting

his charmed existence is about to expire

present textual evidence for this plz - and Ferris saying "this is all about to be over for me!" doesn't really qualify, cuz what does he know about the future? There's really nothing in the movie that presents an axe dangling over his head, that he'll have to get a shitty job or not get into college or his sister will get revenge on him, there's none of that.

xp re: Ferris. He's been weaseling out of consequences forever; what evidence is that it will stop happening?

He erases his unexcused absences via modem. You don't think he's gonna slide into college / jobs / homeownership with the same oiliness? Shit, I know I would have. And I kind of did!

"ferris is an object of pity" is overthink wish fulfilment

Whose wish is it fulfilling?

Being a quasi-tragic figure isn't the same as being an object of "pity" unless you're Aristotle. Ferris isn't "good" either. His "stop and smell the roses" attitude is precisely what's gonna lead to his destruction. I think he's actually (for the time) a convincing depiction of what self-actualization would look like for a 17 year old--that adults know this comes at some cost seems obvious to me. But that this would also arouse ressentiment also seems obvious!

I haven't seen it in a while--what textual evidence is there that Ferris' charmed/charming lifestyle will come to an end as he becomes an adult?

xp

My basic point is that "Ferris is a generic asshole" is also a hyper-literalist bad-faith reading of the movie fwiw.

I haven't seen it in a while--what textual evidence is there that Ferris' charmed/charming lifestyle will come to an end as he becomes an adult?

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literally none

Ferris does literally nothing other than smell roses. At no point do you see him actually doing any of the work of being a high school student, let alone the work of being a good person/citizen/son. And there are literally no consequences for it ever. The dude skates.

You may say that "adults know this comes at some cost," but then we also know about the degree to which Martin Shkreli, the Trump boys, Brock Turner, etc. get to skate.

it's true he is not generic, he is a very finely drawn asshole

y'all are all cops

yeah I mean I guess I'd need to rewatch it but I find Ryan's take highly unconvincing. The world is full of rich assholes who were rich assholes in high school and continue to be rich assholes. They fuck up and get away with it throughout their life because they are rich and connected and know how to have the attitude of someone who shit doesn't stick to. This is exactly who goes to work in investment banking.

guys who "peak in high school" are usually working class joes who don't go to college

I've seen the studies

I recommend you all skip school take a pampered ferrari out for a reckless spin sometime.

I think it's a perfect comedy film, to be clear!

Ryan

do u identify with ferris

is this a cushy past catching up with u

sympathies man thatll kill ilx cred

everyone on ilx peaked in school

show me the lie

Ryan

do u identify with ferris

no i identify with cameron! hence my affection for him.

ur dad had that car

lowest of low ilxors sackcloth thus man

my dad was just about equally protective of our minivan.

youre under the microscope now watch out all im sayin

back on topic:

chickens in chicken run. youre chickens, you have a role in society and are pretty well treated for yr part in it no takebacks when the time comes you chickeny fucks

They Live

The glasses were the good guy

uh Birth of a Nation

when ryan was in Egypt's land

let my ryan go

re: avengers
thanos was right

yeah

ET should have stayed

Does Simba demonstrate any qualities during the film that suggest he would be a good leader, or are we simply accepting that because his father was King that he should in turn be King?

that's kind of how monarchies work...

I have no patience for you sad sacks who are okay with eliminating sentient life by <100%. Thanos is a schmuck, full stop. He’s trying to save the two-legs category out of a cheesy Malthusian conceit.

Go big or go home, chumps; if you think people don’t deserve to exist, just fucking own it.

clearly not his point he had environmental concerns but was like totally into ppl too

Lotsa unmanned planes crashed

hmm thats a good point thats gotta have fucked up his 50/50 split right, the collateral damage

thanos u reckless sonofabitch

hes just another ferris

I just finished Toni Erdmann and the villain is not machinery of capitalism but rather it is Toni Erdmann but also maybe we are meant to think so?

Toni Erdmann is Ferris + 50 years.

Hm... he did steal an expensive vehicle under disguise...

Literally heard someone in an argument with a friend argue that Scrooge was the good guy, that he paid Cratchit a good wage, but Bob was just irresponsible with his money

What else did Jacob Rees-Mogg say

there's an editorial every christmas about how scrooge is really the good guy. none of the authors have read dickens.

In A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens, Ebenezer Scrooge learns how to be a more paternalistic capitalist.

Paris, Texas

Point Break would own this thread

Nah, what's so awesome about Point Break is that Bigelow 100% knows that both Johnny Utah and Bodhi represent failed, self-deluding versions of masculinity/heroism.