movies where you disagree w/ the screenwriters on who the 'good guys' are

I haven't seen it in a while--what textual evidence is there that Ferris' charmed/charming lifestyle will come to an end as he becomes an adult?

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My basic point is that "Ferris is a generic asshole" is also a hyper-literalist bad-faith reading of the movie fwiw.

I haven't seen it in a while--what textual evidence is there that Ferris' charmed/charming lifestyle will come to an end as he becomes an adult?

― Dan I., Monday, July 23, 2018 1:31 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literally none

Ferris does literally nothing other than smell roses. At no point do you see him actually doing any of the work of being a high school student, let alone the work of being a good person/citizen/son. And there are literally no consequences for it ever. The dude skates.

You may say that "adults know this comes at some cost," but then we also know about the degree to which Martin Shkreli, the Trump boys, Brock Turner, etc. get to skate.

it's true he is not generic, he is a very finely drawn asshole

y'all are all cops

yeah I mean I guess I'd need to rewatch it but I find Ryan's take highly unconvincing. The world is full of rich assholes who were rich assholes in high school and continue to be rich assholes. They fuck up and get away with it throughout their life because they are rich and connected and know how to have the attitude of someone who shit doesn't stick to. This is exactly who goes to work in investment banking.

guys who "peak in high school" are usually working class joes who don't go to college

I've seen the studies

I recommend you all skip school take a pampered ferrari out for a reckless spin sometime.

I think it's a perfect comedy film, to be clear!

Ryan

do u identify with ferris

is this a cushy past catching up with u

sympathies man thatll kill ilx cred

everyone on ilx peaked in school

show me the lie

Ryan

do u identify with ferris

no i identify with cameron! hence my affection for him.

ur dad had that car

lowest of low ilxors sackcloth thus man

my dad was just about equally protective of our minivan.

youre under the microscope now watch out all im sayin

back on topic:

chickens in chicken run. youre chickens, you have a role in society and are pretty well treated for yr part in it no takebacks when the time comes you chickeny fucks

They Live

The glasses were the good guy

uh Birth of a Nation

when ryan was in Egypt's land

let my ryan go

re: avengers
thanos was right

yeah

ET should have stayed

Does Simba demonstrate any qualities during the film that suggest he would be a good leader, or are we simply accepting that because his father was King that he should in turn be King?

that's kind of how monarchies work...

I have no patience for you sad sacks who are okay with eliminating sentient life by <100%. Thanos is a schmuck, full stop. He’s trying to save the two-legs category out of a cheesy Malthusian conceit.

Go big or go home, chumps; if you think people don’t deserve to exist, just fucking own it.

clearly not his point he had environmental concerns but was like totally into ppl too

Lotsa unmanned planes crashed

hmm thats a good point thats gotta have fucked up his 50/50 split right, the collateral damage

thanos u reckless sonofabitch

hes just another ferris

I just finished Toni Erdmann and the villain is not machinery of capitalism but rather it is Toni Erdmann but also maybe we are meant to think so?

Toni Erdmann is Ferris + 50 years.

Hm... he did steal an expensive vehicle under disguise...

Literally heard someone in an argument with a friend argue that Scrooge was the good guy, that he paid Cratchit a good wage, but Bob was just irresponsible with his money

What else did Jacob Rees-Mogg say

there's an editorial every christmas about how scrooge is really the good guy. none of the authors have read dickens.

In A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens, Ebenezer Scrooge learns how to be a more paternalistic capitalist.

Paris, Texas

Point Break would own this thread

Nah, what's so awesome about Point Break is that Bigelow 100% knows that both Johnny Utah and Bodhi represent failed, self-deluding versions of masculinity/heroism.

Regretted posting that almost immediately, partly because you're right. Point Break isn't a good/bad guy movie. It's not ambivalent or conflicted, it's an indictment of the entire concept of macho conflict.

not sure who the good guys are meant to be in Paris, Texas either

Armageddon

lord of the rings is about keeping societal power away from the oiks

It’s spelt orcs I think

Polly Toynbee's father Arnold famously wrote a piece about how wretched Tolkien's books were and how he was glad people had finally come to their senses and got bored of all this ridiculous fantasy claptrap, literally weeks before they became a huge international top sellers. Or something like that.

Any US movie with cops, feds or military. Sure it might make me look pro serial killers/hitler/kkk but over time it will balance out just fine!

not sure who the good guys are meant to be in Paris, Texas either

he's meant to be terrible

But doesn't the movie try to redeem him ultimately? I've always had a problem with the fact that we never see the Dean Stockwell and Aurore Clement in the second half, after HDS and the kid have left. I'm always thinking about how they're feeling, how they have no idea what is going on or what condition HDS is in. That's such a massive oversight by Sam Shepard, and imo goes a long way in suggesting that HDS can be redeemed via his odyssey.