the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:18 (five years ago) link

oh good, that buzzfeed boris-bannon article notes:

Bannon, who left his role in the White House in August 2017, is eyeing Europe as a new political battleground. He is planning to start a new organization, based in Brussels, to help far-right parties seize control of the parliament of the European Union.

also, dear chumps, don't fund Darren "Dib from Invader Zim" Grimes' charges from the Electoral Commission, surely his billionaire chums who started off rich and are midway through getting a lot richer off Brexit will be paying that anyway, and the rest of us might need all the rapidly devaluing money we can shove under our mattresses next April anyway

(I mean, they could just have left him in the lurch seeing as they are clearly not v nice people, but since he's still banging the Leave drum everywhere and they got him a sweet job at one of those right wing "think tanks" that all share an address and are all on the BBC every 5 minutes, I assume he's sorted)

everything is kind of depressing today

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:37 (five years ago) link

Factories couldn’t just step up production before the Brexit date and store the surplus, either. They no longer have much space to store their product

perhaps Brexit pensioners could Make A Success Of It by giving up their numerous spare bedrooms for communal canned good storage

(I bought a couple of extra 4-packs of tinned staples last week but suspect there is no way I could actually fit more than about 2 weeks' worth of extra food and bottled water in my flat - a bit more if walls of bean cans and rice sacks throughout the living area is the House Beautiful look for next spring

the bf already called me a paranoid lunatic so you don't have to, ta)

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link

brb going to replace my bedframe with tins

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:58 (five years ago) link

brb gonna replace my mattress with hardtack

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:07 (five years ago) link

i for one am looking forward to finding out what it's like to have scurvy

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:07 (five years ago) link

pemmican't moar laik

mark s, Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:10 (five years ago) link

(I bought a couple of extra 4-packs of tinned staples

Tin staples? Tinned tacks?

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:34 (five years ago) link

i for one am looking forward to finding out what it's like to have scurvy

― a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, July 26, 2018 2:07 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

blackberries. they're everywhere. they freeze

imago, Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link

i for one am looking forward to finding out what it's like to kill someone over who gets the last three blackberries left on the bush

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:39 (five years ago) link

we'll send ye over a few bits lars shall we say....four ships a day?

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:45 (five years ago) link

anybody fancy a sweep on how many years into the Thunderdome we'll be before the last gammon stops blaming Europe for the state of everything?

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:50 (five years ago) link

there's no way they'll ever stop blaming europe, c'mon

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link

got a 5 kg sack of basmati rice coming from Asda tonight, obv to trade for booze when sterling becomes worthless!

calzino, Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link

looks like i picked the wrong decade to give up snout

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link

but the right decade to give up everything except cannibalism

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 15:00 (five years ago) link

emaciated gammon in a blackberry and nettle reduction that's good eatin'

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 July 2018 15:07 (five years ago) link

you can really taste the racism

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 15:12 (five years ago) link

Brexit grumble, bramble crumble,
Steve Bannon, canned gammon, jelly bean, boom!

I'd Rather Kecak (NickB), Thursday, 26 July 2018 15:17 (five years ago) link

Kate Hoey had a unanimous vote of no confidence from her CLP so hopefully the next election will be her last.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 27 July 2018 08:05 (five years ago) link

like I've previously said she could have a fantastic voice-over artist career outside of politics, such is the piercing timbre of that wonderful voice.

calzino, Friday, 27 July 2018 08:12 (five years ago) link

or she could finally join UKIP, which would be her natural habitat tbf.

calzino, Friday, 27 July 2018 08:25 (five years ago) link

Excellent that, after all the wailing about Momentum-dominated CLPs deselecting 'moderate' Labour MPs, the (iirc) first actual deselection has set off a war between the moderates and Blue Labour.

Utter madness. @KateHoeyMP has been loyal to the Labour leadership, loyal to the Labour manifesto, loyal to her conscience, and has at every stage honoured the referendum result rather than try to subvert it. https://t.co/Xa2NqxFvWW

— Paul Embery (@PaulEmbery) July 27, 2018

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 27 July 2018 08:53 (five years ago) link

The next Labour leadership war was always going to be between the pro- and anti-immigration wings of Labour, so it's not surprising.

Matt DC, Friday, 27 July 2018 09:04 (five years ago) link

Of all the Brexit MPs, Hoey represents the constituency where Remain got the biggest majority. 77.6%!

She should try honouring the wishes of her consitituents sometime.

Matt DC, Friday, 27 July 2018 09:06 (five years ago) link

Some good news at last! But this is the best bit...

Excellent that, after all the wailing about Momentum-dominated CLPs deselecting 'moderate' Labour MPs, the (iirc) first actual deselection has set off a war between the moderates and Blue Labour

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 27 July 2018 09:10 (five years ago) link

that fireman sam Blue Labour guy is another one who seems ever so slightly to the right of this so called broad church!

calzino, Friday, 27 July 2018 09:15 (five years ago) link

so many people with Trade Unionist on their profile seem like complete fucking cocks!

calzino, Friday, 27 July 2018 09:21 (five years ago) link

Plenty of spare time to do some fox hunting - yoicks, tally ho!

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 27 July 2018 09:24 (five years ago) link

i think -- tho i may be tripping in the heat and my memory futzing -- that hoey also still has some idiosyncratic leftish stances: certainly she used* to be filed alongside the 80s "loony left" london intake alongside corbyn and bernie grant etc)

*yes a v long time ago but i remember being mildly puzzled the first time i saw the company she was now keeping

mark s, Friday, 27 July 2018 09:28 (five years ago) link

xp
I bet the only Tory policy he disagrees with is the closure of fire stations.

calzino, Friday, 27 July 2018 09:30 (five years ago) link

Yes, I think she was considered a Leftie at some pointie, now a Rightie.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 27 July 2018 09:31 (five years ago) link

Similar to Hodge.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 27 July 2018 09:33 (five years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Di2zzgNXgAA_aSR.jpg

speaking of which, this popped up the other day..

calzino, Friday, 27 July 2018 09:35 (five years ago) link

looking at the Paul Embery tweet i notice that the first two of his RTs beneath it are Jordan Peterson and spiked

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 July 2018 10:05 (five years ago) link

Douglas Murray in conversation with Jordan Peterson - typical viewing for a self-defined Democratic Socialist.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 27 July 2018 10:11 (five years ago) link

honest to god something something gulags something something blood pressure something something blue Stalinists

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 July 2018 10:13 (five years ago) link

Some potentially positive stuff here:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/27/fake-news-inquiry-data-misuse-deomcracy-at-risk-mps-conclude

Also good that they are going to stop using the term ‘fake news’.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:04 (five years ago) link

Starting tomorrow!

Mark G, Friday, 27 July 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link

when gov ministers don't get pumped or resign for misleading parliament they are setting quite a bad example from Westminster, before you even get to shadowy dodgy fuckers like Cambridge Metallica.

calzino, Friday, 27 July 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link

i do have questions about who will be the arbiter of Real News

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link

this guy

Facebook fighting fake news... pic.twitter.com/1r2MHoGhoN

— Christopher Bouzy (@cbouzy) July 27, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 27 July 2018 18:48 (five years ago) link

lol sorted

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 July 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link

lol!

(l) the politically neutral BBC (r) neo-fascism in plainly neo-fascism clothing.

calzino, Friday, 27 July 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link

Excellent that, after all the wailing about Momentum-dominated CLPs deselecting 'moderate' Labour MPs, the (iirc) first actual deselection has set off a war between the moderates and Blue Labour.

Great to see that Remainy moderates have actually done this. Hopefully this can set off further deselections.

This was v good on the whole process - its selection:

https://newsocialist.org.uk/mandatory-reselection-view-outside/

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 28 July 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link

far too sensible and obvious

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link

Indeed.

Didn't know this happened to Frank Field too: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/28/frank-field-criticises-local-labour-members-confidence-vote

Things are truly gonna change if he is given the boot.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link

i can hear the counter-arguments they would make about stability and etc and they all come from a place of technocratic contempt for democracy which is the Centrist Way as any fule kno

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:38 (five years ago) link

I always thought in my lifetime I would witness a dead person getting deselected, just thought it might it might have took another few decades!

calzino, Saturday, 28 July 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link

I dunno, I think deselection is one of those 'be careful what you wish for' things - clearly being able to get rid of a lot of sclerotic, lazy, contemptuous or just out-and-out bad MPs is a good thing. Being able to hold onto a safe seat forever, regardless of performance, just because you've been there for years and wear the right colour rosette is clearly not a sign of a healthy democracy.

But it's not necessarily any more democratic - constituency parties don't always accurately represent the views of their consituents for one thing. And it's all about who they get replaced with - any party needs healthy dissent and debate if it's going to survive and it's not hard to envisage a scenario where a hard-working constituency MP gets replaced with a bigoted crank who's able to make the right noises during the selection process.

My gut feeling is that any half decent MP would probably survive a deselection process but there are enough ways in which it could go wrong in practice, particularly in Blue Labourish constituencies let alone in the Tory party.

Matt DC, Sunday, 29 July 2018 10:35 (five years ago) link


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