Welp, it's official: X-Men & FF coming to the MCU.
(And yeah, that whole thing where one massive media company has become even more massive and all of the probably not-great implications of that, blah blah.)
― Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Friday, 27 July 2018 16:55 (five years ago) link
Day three of the Ethan Hawke/LOGAN wars, as I wonder what we, as a society, have done to deserve this.— Vadim Rizov (@vrizov) August 27, 2018
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
I had not heard of this - there’s a good article about it here:
http://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/what-ethan-hawke-really-said-about-superhero-movies-was-lost-on-twitter.php
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 07:10 (five years ago) link
that doesn't really change the context or meaning of what he said thoughnot that i want to die on the hill of LOGAN (though it was great!) but yeah, it is weird to hear that coming from a guy who's done a lot of successful genre stuff
― Nhex, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 07:28 (five years ago) link
Guys. I'm clearly a huge fan and champion of good superhero movies. Huge. Unabashed. They are not great cinema.
― Blag Blingeeborp (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 10:25 (five years ago) link
logan was under the impression it was a great movie and it was not a good movie, not of any genre
― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 10:40 (five years ago) link
dude claiming hawke was unwoke because superhero movies help people escape capitalism then namechecking wes anderson as a revered art cinema icon probably the peak of this
― devvvine, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 10:41 (five years ago) link
even before the 'then'
― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 10:44 (five years ago) link
also great was people responding 'actually he didn't wear tights in logan'
― devvvine, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 10:49 (five years ago) link
Railing against superhero movies is like railing against oligarchy or bacon. The normies always win
― imago, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 12:12 (five years ago) link
(my own dense, hypocritical and not entirely serious take)
― imago, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 12:13 (five years ago) link
extremely otm
― Number None, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 12:50 (five years ago) link
logan was not good, no, but i thought patrick stewart was fantastic in it, especially given what the script gave him to work with
― my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 13:26 (five years ago) link
^^ cosign - love him more than ever after watching
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 13:27 (five years ago) link
eh, i just think pitting shitty mainstream movies against "great art" films is a foolish, close-minded position to take the older i get. those Marvel dollars were never gonna fund another Agnes Varda film, know what i mean?
― Nhex, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
yeah this is 2 different things. It's a false argument. I can enjoy a lot of different kinds of art at a lot of different levels. I appreciate the attempt to make the Marvel stuff as high quality as they do. It makes them much more fun to watch.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
agreed
― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 20:13 (five years ago) link
However, there is less commercial room than ever for adult-targeted films -- nowhere near as arty as Varda's -- while the pajamas-wearing bodybuilder shit dominates every year's b.o. Sorry, not "same as it ever was."
weird to hear that coming from a guy who's done a lot of successful genre stuff
Perhaps, but at least that Valerian thing was weird enough to be not especially successful.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link
The mortal enemy you'll want to direct your ire to goes by the name of Kevin Feige, Morbs. Once that dude moves on to other projects or retires to whatever island he buys, you will see a gaggle of clueless also-rans bumblefuck their way toward the slow dissolution of the superhero genre's steely grip on the box office. Like, they'll still rake in the dough but more on the level of the previous century's offerings (adjusted for inflation, natch).
― Just eat a hamburger, it'll hit the spot. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:00 (five years ago) link
morbs must have some elaborate pajamas is what i’m taking away from this thread
― my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:07 (five years ago) link
However, there is less commercial room than ever for adult-targeted films
this is a fair and reasonable point.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
lol no it's not
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
yeah don't see that at all as someone who has gorged on as many theatrical films as possible during this Year of Moviepass (RIP)there's less middle of the road crap that ISN'T superheroes... well, actually even that's not true
― Nhex, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
idk I get that less "adult targeted films" get made by the big studios because the superhero stuff is where the money is. it doesn't seem so off the mark. but i hardly ever go see anything that isn't the stuff of which the Dr. appears to disapprove. end of my discussion is there's room in this viewer's brain for a lot of different kinds of movies that do all kinds of different things to it, and comparing them doesn't tell you much about them
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link
blame HBO and Netflix...blame THE SOPRANOS, BREAKING BAD and, i dunno, RECTIFIED...blame the new consumption models that let smaller features (like eh, let's say CAPTAIN FANTASTIC) to actually find distribution and audiences outside of the art houses...
popcorn halls are for popcorn pictures. I for one do not mourn the absence of RABBIT HOLE from my recliner-equipped multiplex, and to imagine that if Marvel would simply stop making movies that people of all ages enjoy the floodgates would open for quality grownup storytelling ignores the evidence of dunno fkn WILD HOGS or TRANSFORMERS 6 or whatever.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:16 (five years ago) link
a fair and reasonable point
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link
However, there is less commercial room than ever for adult-targeted filmsthis is a fair and reasonable point.lol no it's not
Yes and no. Films are cheaper to make than ever, and the barrier to make a film and get it thrown into, say, Netflix US listings is much lower than older forms of mass distribution. But it's absolutely, 100% true that the "middle budget" films (of the type Alexander Payne, PT Anderson, Todd Haynes etc) are getting funded less and less. There may have been a slight uptick recently due to the influx of streaming production cash but we're definitely a far cry from the era when "adult-minded" dramas routinely populated the top 10/20/30 grossers of a particular year.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
"ethan hawke/logan wars"??????? film twitter is hell
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link
tbf all twitter is a garbage sewer
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
Today’s adult-adults (25-40) generally watch movies at home unless there’s a minimum of 10 cameras and 15 server farms involved, in which case they might buy a ticket if they heard it was real good. There’s just a lot of other things to do! Movies are no longer the pre-eminent time waster - just like ballgames aren’t either. Hey look what I can do with my phone look see this I’m oh wait hang on typing
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
In a world where wars are sparked by poor reading comprehension
― Just eat a hamburger, it'll hit the spot. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link
...one celebrity with an opinion about a movie can stoke the bad faith of twitter dorks into a frothing nerdgasm.
― Just eat a hamburger, it'll hit the spot. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link
been avoiding the whole thing. I don't take Ethan Hawke especially seriously to begin with but it doesn't sound like he said anything especially controversial.
LOGAN is a good test case though. It's not MCU, it has a couple of moments and Patrick Stewart but it's mostly crap, and hey, the rest of Mangold's more adult-targeted "serious" work is also mostly crap!
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, August 29, 2018 3:05 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I get that one person can like a diversity of films, sure, I do. I truly enjoyed some MCU films and seen almost all Bresson films. However if you live outside a major metropolitan area, one that cannot sustain having a selection of art houses cinema or the presence of decent film festivals, well you probably know how hard it is to get to see some films. I'm lucky here in Montreal because we get to see a wider selection of french film but virtue of the language but boy it's a hunt still.
I won't say anything new to anyone on this thread but basically, the distribution game is rigged and has been rigged for a long time. While I'm not asking for the good ole CanCon documentary I produced to be in 2000 theaters across the continent, more antitrust laws like preventing blockbuying would give us a bit of that breathing room we need to live of our profession. So when those super hero movies are shitty, like Fantastic Four, and they are busts but still cover 5% of the screen time in the entirety of Quebec for 3 weeks and my friends and I have to scrap some sessions at the art house who is forever on the verge of closing down then yeah, I'm mad at the very existence of some of these films. I fully stand by Hawke's idea that when you get to make big movie at least put some love in it and abide by a standard of quality to ensure the film will be good. I haven't seen Logan so I can't vouch for it, but surely you can think of another shitty blockbuster, or another superhero blockbuster that can replace it.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 21:38 (five years ago) link
another fair and reasonable point
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 22:26 (five years ago) link
Remember when Ethan Hawke "wrote" a novel?
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 23:50 (five years ago) link
Marvel has apparently secured studio space in the UK and rumors are bubbling up that a Captain Britain movie may be underway. Which I find potentially very exciting (particularly if it might lead to an Excalibur film down the road). Less exciting are the rumors that it is to be helmed by Guy Ritchie. Hmm.
― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 September 2018 12:18 (five years ago) link
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― 🧛🏻♂️ F A T 🧛🏻♂️ D R A C U L A 🧛🏻♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 September 2018 12:20 (five years ago) link
Like this idea, which strangely had never occurred to me before, could (in the right hands) be my most favored MCU project yet. The Moore and Delano runs on Captain Britain and then up through the end of Davis's solo run on Excalibur are some of my favorite comics ever.
― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 September 2018 12:27 (five years ago) link
I re-watched Spider-Man: Homecoming last night (second time seeing it) and I think -- to the extent that ranking these things matters, which is "not at all" -- it's a top five out of all of these. Skips the origin story, ties in well into the other movies, a villain with understandable motives and who isn't the victim of some experiment gone wrong, ace performances from all involved. And a lot happens in it! But it never feels overstuffed. Like so many of these characters, Peter is often a victim not of the bad guys, but his own overconfidence and hubris -- but it's an understandable, youthful hubris. He's 15, and this is the one thing he's really good at aside from school, and it's much more rewarding; why not concentrate on it, and why not try to go big time? That's how kids think!
The whole segment from when Peter first shows up at Liz's house and Keaton answers the door, to when he gets out of the car in front of the school, is so great. A lot of good "eye acting" from Holland and Keaton, and I love that it's Liz's mention of the "Stark internship" that gets her father suspicious.
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Friday, 21 September 2018 12:28 (five years ago) link
― 🧛🏻♂️ F A T 🧛🏻♂️ D R A C U L A 🧛🏻♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 September 2018 12:42 (five years ago) link
how could you forget
"is there a name or a phrase for or anything much written about that distinctly British CREEPY VIBE prevalent in TV shows and movies of the '60s/'70s? (e.g. The Prisoner, Sapphire and Steel, Baker-era"
― Number None, Friday, 21 September 2018 12:46 (five years ago) link
aye, it just slips right off the tongue right enough
― 🧛🏻♂️ F A T 🧛🏻♂️ D R A C U L A 🧛🏻♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:28 (five years ago) link
actually you know who'd be a good captain britain is henry cavill - a giant side of beef who's not too smart and is kind of an asshole is a much better fit for cavill's vibe than superman
― 🧛🏻♂️ F A T 🧛🏻♂️ D R A C U L A 🧛🏻♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:29 (five years ago) link
That is precisely who a large number of internet denizens are pushing for, apparently. Careful what you wish for...
― Mummenschanz in a Metal Mood (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:34 (five years ago) link
it's a top five out of all of these
the last 30-40 mins felt really draggy to me
there's a weird buildup to the homecoming then it only gets five minutes screentime
overall it's great though. it's overlong but it's a great hangout movie so length = more time with fun characters
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 21 September 2018 13:37 (five years ago) link
karl urban would be a great captain britain
or wolverine
or almost any male superhero tbh
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 21 September 2018 13:38 (five years ago) link
karl urban cannot be allowed to do anything which would prevent him from being judge dredd again
― 🧛🏻♂️ F A T 🧛🏻♂️ D R A C U L A 🧛🏻♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:45 (five years ago) link
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― CRABCORE’S NOT DEAD (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 September 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link
Ha:
best shit i ever made 🤣🤣🤣 pic.twitter.com/BurNtpRqcm— Bryan 🍥 (@matte_bIack) September 22, 2018
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 September 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link