the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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Would that all of ILX’s politics discussions proceed in Lego only

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jeremy-corbyn-hosted-event-likening-israel-to-nazis-6sb5rqd5x

Lol

I'm thrilled with what Corbyn has started, but someone else might have to finish it? Someone trve kvlt and versed in Project Momentum obv, nobody with even a hint of centrism let alone Blue Labour, but also someone who might prove harder to attack? Our own Ocasio-Cortez, if you will? IDK I'm drunk

The lol was for Robespierre over there :D

"Who in history but Robespierre is specifically disliked for his virtue?"

Love 2 attack Corbyn for hosting an Auschwitz survivor

Not very keen on seeing Imago threatened to be beheaded, lego style or not tbh.

idk, he could do with not beginning with 'I' all the time tbh

idnr ever actually threatening ilxors with death, just that i hoped it happened or would be glad when it had

seems bad

how many voters are centrists btw

"Who in history but Robespierre is specifically disliked for his virtue?"

Yes, lay off Maximilien.

Not very keen on seeing Imago threatened to be beheaded, lego style or not tbh.

― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He loves the attention, don't worry about his crocodile tears - drunk and chatting thrash straight away.

"The world dislikes Robespierre and Saint Just, not because of what they said but because they intended what they said. Complete sincerity is thought a crime." (these are from Ian Hamilton "Robespierre did nothing wrong" Findlay)

the world dislikes robespierre because he got what he wanted but just kept chopping necks

he had 0 chill

iirc Robespierre probably was having a mental health crisis by the end?

apparently he was suffering from a quite severe case of sarcoidosis (possibly confirmed by his death mask) by the time of his execution. Yezhov was a more extreme example of "this job of killing thousands every day - is just killing me".

Pretty unfair that he should cop the blame, a lot of the worse excesses were carried out by the men who ended killing him - that's why they killed him.

at what stage dyou think youse all will have taken the fanboying for the murderers on *your* team a touch far

He's the original Centrist, the right and the left combined to off him.

can't help feeling some love for people that murdered lots of landed gentry.

I wonder if there are French revolution Top Trumps...

xyzzz was on that “actually Stalin was good” shit in another thread just so we all know where he stands on the murdering.

on another thread

like

just one other thread?

would youse all murder centrists, yknow the ones you need to vote for your murderer

Well at least one other thread, I’m not gonna say it’s every thread

like every upstanding citizen in the world isn't doused in blood already

no but but we need to appeal to smug posh cunts who have got it easy, to maintain this fantastic system, because their endorsement is so essential .. apparently.

.. or rugged individualists ..who've grafted their arse off to get where they are ..of course!

not sure i dont hate the rugged individualists more tbh calz

tho oftener than not those cunts just had rich daddies too

i had a sweary argument with my younger brother about this last week. He does a shit low paid work from home job, doing corporate scripting on a self-employed basis. Because he's managing to get by rn, with some considerate help from his stepdad with his mortgage. He has started talking like a Young Tory: Universal Credit is fine, I'm getting by, other people must be feckless cunts etc.... I told the soft little space cadet shite, if it wasn't for his stepdad's help he'd be in the private rental sector, completely insecure and living from fucking foodbanks, but he felt that wasn't quite the case with HIM!

oh yeah been on ilx long enough know, not to gaf about blatant D-mac trolling!

pfft were all friends here

big happy ilx family.

An apology just issued (to do with The Times story Tom D just linked last night, rather the NEC)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/01/jeremy-corbyn-issues-apology-in-labour-antisemitism-row

ilx has always been a broad church

I haven’t actually seen the show in question, but I assume that means that if someone did die, it’d take 8 hours to gather statements from everyone.

Most people aren't 'centrists' in the Blair manner of speaking. Obviously loads of people *consider* themselves in the middle of the political spectrum even if they want to bring back capital punishment for immigrants, but a big reason that Labour did better than expected last time was because the manifesto was full of things that people had wanted to happen all along.

Obviously people in Westminster confuse 'policies designed to attract floating voters' with 'centrism'. This should in theory benefit Blairites but they're just as blinded by the whole thing and it's hitting them at a time when there's lower demand for 90s style centrism.

I'm defining centrism here as a broadly free market approach to the economy coupled with much higher public spending. Also perhaps a socially liberal agenda for those in the middle coupled with lots of tough on crime promises.

Centrism has succeeded in the past not because the population in general has been centrist, but because it had provided enough of what enough voters want to convince them to overlook the other stuff. The tough question centrists aren't asking themselves, or at least are incapable of answering, is why this is apparently no longer the case.

So in this definition, different groups of centrism-curious voters have different 'other stuff', yeah?

one of the problems is that rather than making everyone middle class, it is making vast swathes of the country downwardly mobile, whilst creating a new dependent on charity class. And the best answer they (including lots of Labour here) have for the most severe housing crisis since the postwar years, is the old "affordable housing" bollox, and it's not cutting it with a hell of a lot more people these days. And the trains aren't running on time!

Yeah I kind of assumed centrist just equalled classic Wet Tory - slightly to the right of the Lib Dems but not much, slightly left of Blair.

Convicted fraudster Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon aka Robbie Tominson wins appeal, will get out of jail, be on TV a lot.

The UK government is considering continuing the free movement of EU citizens as part of its Brexit no deal planning, according to confidential Home Office material leaked to my colleague @tpgcolson https://t.co/GSZqmKnP8e

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This seems like a classic 'please no one' approach if ever I saw it.

I mean presumably it'll make it easier to emigrate, that's one thing.

good to see the party of free enterprise adopt the classic business-negotiating technique of 'flailing wildly'

how the FUCK do you appeal contempt of court?

"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen ?

Also, I thought he'd plead guilty? As, someone said upthread, get used to seeing his face on a lot more than the back of some racist's leg.