Rolling Cannabis Politics Thread

I did see it recommended in multiple places not to pack it in checked baggage, though, if you're worried, because those bags do get searched/sniffed more often than when you're just zipping through security.

still incredulous about this part. Did you have actual stinky weed, or just edibles that could pass as snacks? Is this hearsay or did they actually see the stuff , identify it, and shrug?

edibles are usually individually wrapped, so there's nothing to smell even if they don't just smell like gummies or mints or cookies or w/e

would never take the risk of trying to get anything illegal through security

I don't think I would make a habit of it. But certainly encourages you to let your guard down after you've spent a week where open use and stores are a thing, even in the middle of nowhere, and when even the TSA website comes as close as they are legally able to saying NBD.

Good article here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2018/02/07/can-you-fly-marijuana-within-legalized-states/312169002/

Basic takeaway, marijuana (medical or otherwise) is *always* illegal/not allowed in airports, even in states where it is fully legal, but there is barely any enforcement if it is found. (Apparently the TSA originally ok'd possession for air travel before immediately backing up and away to its current ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ position.) The worst that will generally happen is they would contact the local police, and it sounds like the worst the local police will do is either tell you to bring it back to the car, give it to a friend, throw it away, etc. In the article it says Denver in 2015 busted something like 26 people, and none of them were even ticketed. By 2016, they didn't bother even keeping records. This, of course, is in states where it is legal, but I think the presumption is that is where you'd be bringing it from, anyway. Definitely don't see why you would ever be stopped when you get to where you're going. YMMV, of course.

I would not be to concerned with personal use quantities. Idk I bring stuff with me all the time

throwing a vape pen in your toiletry bag is something that is nbd ime

flying w/ plant material would scare me a little though

if it can be mistaken for a legal product - an e-cigarette, a cookie, gummy bears, i don't think there is much risk if you have a tiny, personal amount

Also depends on where you're flying back to. If I'm headed into DFW or Love Field, I wouldn't bring back anything that isn't an unmarked edible.

all the articles on cannabis dosages are lol worthy to me lately

one problem with legalization is it opens it up to people who have never tried pot and will try it and are clueless how to consume it

i dont need a fucking scientist to tell me an edible will mangle my shit

The TSA can’t even find the things it is looking for.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa-misses-70-of-fake-weapons-but-thats-an-improvement/

I don't know, I disagree. For example, the edibles we bought were very clear that the doses could take 1-2 hours to kick in, and once they did their effects could last a few hours (which is longer than smoking, afaik). So they have pretty gentle warnings on them not to take more if you don't think they're doing much, since "dosage" could be different for everyone, and instead wait a little. One person might get what they want from a 5mg dosed square of chocolate, another might need the whole bar. This is really important for the people taking it for health reasons. Trial and error, gradually up dose until you know what works and how it works.

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The way edibles are made now, with THC isolate and production standards makes the dosing very valuable IMO - you can know the smaller amount to take to feel something but not "mangle my shit."

eh i worded myself poorly

i just worry that with the influx of norms using this stuff there will be some bad side-eye - ex. a woman recently chastised smoking joints while buying edibles in a dispensary, as a new user. nobody is gonna make me feel bad for smoking

I found myself in a weird situation this past weekend, hobnobbing with venture capitalists and start-up CEOs and bullshit like that. One guy was telling me about his business plan, which was vague bs but I played along. It involved monetizing aspects of pro video gamers and also music festivals. Well, I said, half-joking, if you're partnering up with video game players and concert goers, then clearly your next step is cannabis. His eyes go wide and he looks at me like I am some sort of genius rather than a layman stating the obvious. He turns to a partner of his and says something like "Stephanie!!! Ask Josh what the third platform of our plan is after video games and concerts!!!!" She turns to me: "What's the third platform?" "Drugs?" I say again. And she loses it as well. Buncha geniuses, reinventing the wheel.

Related, he told me his investment strategy in this nascent industry is putting money into European companies, figuring they'll swoop in when it's easier. Similar to someone else I know investing in sort of brick and mortar shops, figuring (probably correctly) that once all is legal and on the up and up someone like AmBev will just buy shit up and they can cash out. Then again, I also know of folks already making so much money they're literally burying cash in their backyard. I personally think if/once Michigan goes largely legal this November that's pretty much the tipping point for legalization. This was interesting, at least as an armchair observer:

https://www.bridgemi.com/quality-life/whats-legal-and-what-isnt-under-michigan-recreational-marijuana-plan-slideshow

lol

Yeah I think MI is going to be a big deal. We've got like 10 million people and are within a half a day's drive from Indianapolis, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Toledo, Chicago, Columbus, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, etc which is another couple of million. And to my knowledge none of those places have anything like Michigan's existing medical system with hundreds of stores and relatively easy to get cards so weed tourism seems like it would be novel.

Some private investors bought 130 acres recently near two major highways with plans for a huge grow / processing / testing facility ostensibly for the medical market but I imagine they doubt that will be a limitation for very long.

states' rights! states' rights!!

https://www.civilized.life/articles/congress-removes-medical-marijuana-veterans-protections/

https://www.flylax.com/en/lax-marijuana-policy

sweet

wow

tight

when come bring gra$$

Looking forward to my upcoming trip to California

and your return therefrom

Could be

lax indeed

woot woot

I literally just read a story the other day about TSA being dicks in CA, and referring everything they find to local police - despite local police not giving a shit. As it said, you won't get arrested, but you might miss your flight.

oh will I tho *lights doobie*

hahaha

is it risky to mail a used (but thoroughly cleaned) herbal vaporizer from CA to PA? is this the sort of thing where you could run afoul of paraphenalia laws?

no you'll be fine. i've mailed cannabis from CO to PA numerous times and it went smooth.

yeah i’m not sending any herb just an old unused vape for a brother who just had a surgery and can’t handle any coughing

thx for the tip

If you have a friend with a vacuum sealer for freezing food, you could double bag it to be extra safe.

that's a good idea too

You guys have balls of steel

i don't!

this is like a tabletop dry herb vaporizer so i was able to clean it pretty well and you can always claim it's for non-cannabis use, right?

i can't find any specific legal advice on sending these in the mail though, everything i am finding is advice on mailing e-cigarettes and oil vaporizers

People sell used ones on Ebay pretty regularly, I don't think you'll run into any issues - it's totally the head shop 'for tobacco use only' situation.

From what I've read, send US mail, not UPS or FedEx (US mail requires a warrant to open). And make sure it goes first class, with a tracking number, so you know if it's been "delayed" (or seized). You'll probably be fine, like 99.99% chance, but keep in mind we have a psycho prude in charge at US justice with a particular weird thing against pot.

believe me i’m aware

that sounds like good advice too

ty all

Recreational up for vote in Michigan and North Dakota

I think Michigan is the key to it all, fwiw. Last domino.

Why?

fwiw, both states border Canada, so they have little to lose and much to gain by reaping the taxes on legal pot

I agree with JIC, cause:
- it's big (10 million people)
- it's kind of a swing state, going Clinton twice, Bush twice, Obama twice, then Trump
- it would be the first rustbelt midwestern state, with no real hippie / western / coastal liberal stereotypes like CA, NV, CO, etc.

If it passes here (which it should) I really think this will open it up for other midwestern states, if only to get in on what could be serious weed tourism. There are millions of people within a couple hours drive in IL, OH, IN, PA, WI, and MN, lots of whom already spend time here in the summers.

Still illegal here in Texas

There are millions of people within a couple hours drive in IL, OH, IN, PA, WI, and MN, lots of whom already spend time here in the summers.

- it would be the first rustbelt midwestern state, with no real hippie / western / coastal liberal stereotypes like CA, NV, CO, etc.

Yeah, these two, at the least. And some (all?) of those states already have MMJ to some degree, which will likely get more liberal with a more legal neighbor. Plus, iirc, the legal limits being proposed in MI are ridiculously high (so to speak). Here's that article I posted a while (and several posts) back:

https://www.bridgemi.com/quality-life/whats-legal-and-what-isnt-under-michigan-recreational-marijuana-plan-slideshow