The future of Stereolab

a muppet in more ways than one

he believes that all is for the best in the best of all possible worlds as long as we leave mediocre white academics in charge of it

Stereolab + JP both profitably recycling old German ideas

ILE thread if you want - The Jordan Peterson Thread

white male academics, because women are the root of all evil, because folklore iirc

also the movie frozen is draining our children of their precious essences or some shit

god yes men, lot of stuff about men.

connection to Spiked stuff via "concern for women and blacks is ruining our communism"

He annoys liberals, that's usually good enough for Laetitia's mates at Spiked.

laetitia sadler

Ward Fowler
Posted: 3 August 2018 at 07:32:45

Stereolab + JP both profitably recycling old German ideas

appreciate this

beyond whatever sadier said it would be nice for people to admit the one human consistency is hypocrisy..i mean, nobody is perfect.

Well, at least we can assume that they keep their Space Age Bachelor Pad clean bucko

"also the movie frozen is draining our children of their precious essences or some shit"

he's right about that

let it go, akm

This might be my most frequently revived thread. (I was posting here way back in 2003?) Amusing that it has now led me to read waaaaaay too much about someone who says "social justice warrior" with a straight face.

Only listening to the demo version of blur’s To The End from now on, she’s not on that one.

the influence of VU on stereolab folk continues (moe tucker's right turn)

ha yeah that's what came to mind for me too. seems like sadier is more of a crank with jumbled political views whereas moe tucker is someone at trump rally wearing a 'lock her up' t-shirt.

I’m reading the wiki article on Jordan and he doesn’t seem that controversial and detached from Sadier’s views?

The way I interpreted his controversial views is that all these political correctedness is meant to divide not to unite and to have people fighting against their “oppresors” which is people in your own community instead of looking up at the real enemy.

Also his counterargument againsr bill c-16 is about the dangers of making political correctedness have legal repercusions. Rather than spreading hate he seems to be concerned about how this supposed unity is actually spreading hate by pilling up people who don’t share my beliefs as enemies. The reaction to his opposition to the bill kind of proves his point?

I know it’s all iffy but I can see Sadier taking his beliefs as the people fighting the people instead on focusing on the real enemy above them.

I realize the rabbit hole you're looking at seems inviting but no.

I mean I don’t really agree with his points but I’m trying to have a pipe dream and see what Sadier sees in his work.

you could start w what article she is talking about in that tweet. has anyone looked into that? cos she was writing about his treatment in a magazine article, rather than specifically supporting any of his ideas. what are the circumstances of this particular interview? she didn't write anything in that tweet about any of his theories or talking points, so really without nailing it down, everyone is free to let their imaginations go wild and pretend LS supports the most hateful thing he has ever said.

i dunno maybe she has written other tweets in support of his actual ideas and not just a single media appearance. i haven't seen any of them. you'd think they'd be all over ILX give the frequency of that tweet being reposted. but no, we don't need context, it's enough to feel that she has done a wrong.

did you miss the multiple mentions upthread of her history of boosting publications with questionable views?

Adam doesn't need a context, it's enough for him to feel posters have done a wrong

Adam, this is the Guardian article she was referring to (written by an ilxor!)

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/how-dangerous-is-jordan-b-peterson-the-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest

I can see where he is coming from and maybe as someone who comes from latinamerica it’s easier since everyone in here is pretty much working class and nobody has time for tags and political correctedness, which does seem divisive as an outsider. I guess I can’t really know living it from the internet.

That said I’m cinic and I know this guy is just exploiting a niche that he saw gave him money and recognition and he has studied the arguments to support his bullshit.

It’s also very ironic he explicitly calls himself an anti-marxist and Sadier supports him.

But I also think discarding everything she has done previously based on a tweet is moronic.

Maybe people aren't discarding but just choosing who they want to invest thought and attention with

god who fucking cares? Jordan Peterson is a dumb asshole. Sadier has a Bad Opinion. Stereolab still rules.

― evol j, Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:02 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Moka I get where you're coming from & that's pretty much how I interpreted JP at first. But he's revealed his true colors as a huckster charlatan who is bizarrely fixated on transpeople beyond the "compelled speech" bit. the "enforced monogamy" thing in the NYT interview, I mean, what can you say? he's making buckets of money by appealing to a fairly pathetic demographic of sad, insecure young (mostly white) men that feel emasculated or disenfranchised by our current cultural/sociopolitical climate. having said that, this very knee-jerk, vindictive, and punitive streak on the left fucking sucks. This one gets a strike, this one gets a pass/doesn't get a pass, so and so is cancelled. It's like they want the gulags up and running now so they can staff them. Scary

I never thought Stereolab ruled anyway so I don't have a dog in this fight but she has more than one 'bad opinion', she's been a long term supporter of a reprehensible bunch of libertarian arseholes - but because nobody in the US has heard of them they apparently don't exist. I don't remember anyone on ILX tying themselves in knots trying to explain Mo Tucker's views, we've even got someone saying JP isn't that bad after all - it's amusing, if nothing else.

"she's been a long term supporter of a reprehensible bunch of libertarian arseholes - but because nobody in the US has heard of them they apparently don't exist"

we've just not heard about it I assume (I hadn't). also it helps that she's relatively out of whatever small spotlight she was in while stereolab were still an active band.

Why would anyone care about Mo Tucker’s views, lol? She made those records like 50 years ago.

Also, Tom, if you are accusing ILXors as being “Soft on Libertarianism” — have you peeked in the Grimes thread?

I'm not accusing anyone of anything just enjoying watching the spectacle of Stereolab fans standing on their heads. I mean I was listening to a Gary Glitter album yesterday so I'm not one to point fingers at the people for liking the artists they like.

you need a bit of blind-eyed kiddie-fiddler/crypto/realfascist tolerent pragmatism to get by sometimes, but at least we love music!

the spectacle of Stereolab fans standing on their heads

Drink deep the tears.

we've just not heard about it I assume (I hadn't). also it helps that she's relatively out of whatever small spotlight she was in while stereolab were still an active band.

― akm

yeah i legitimately didn't know there were fake marxists out there or that sadier subscribed to the jews-for-jesus equivalent of marxism. i guess i shouldn't be surprised, but seriously, for god's sake, libertarian marxists?

If they were actually Marxists... LOL I just glance over at my TV and, bingo, there's Jordan Peterson!

it generally seems like Sadier's politics have taken the same weird libertarian turn as her friends at Spiked did. certainly disappointing but the 'committed Marxist shifts right and rails against PC culture etc. in the decades after fall of the Soviet Union' thing is much more common than it should be unfortunately

in that context her support for Peterson isn't particularly surprising

Elsewhere, Tim is doing some soundtrack stuff.

https://www.thewire.co.uk/in-writing/interviews/peter-strickland-interview-by-larac-cory

Strickland also runs the label Peripheral Conserve and is a founder member of the vegetarian food preparation recording outfit The Sonic Catering Band

Excuse me?

Why would anyone care about Mo Tucker’s views, lol? She made those records like 50 years ago.

Why would anyone care about Laetitia Sadier’s views, lol? She made those records like 30 years ago.

Don’t ask me, I’m not a Stereolab fan.

(But as a VU fan — Mo Tucker’s present-day political views are barely even a curiosity. She hasn’t been active as an artist in decades.)

Last time I saw her live was in the late 90s and it was brilliant.

be nice if these thread revives were as lively when someone, oh, I don't know, makes a good record or writes a good song or something. If someone had bumped this to talk about a new Laetitia Sadier album I'd be willing to bet the thread would die on the vine within 24 hours

Compared to in the past, I've noticed that people here tend to express more general enthusiasm for the music they're talking about than they would have some years ago, when maybe they would have been more critical... but there tends not to be that much discussion of it. Perhaps people are more grateful that in what sometimes seems like an increasingly awful world artists are still making art... but the more urgent business is political. Whereas in 2007 or so (around the time I started really paying attention) people here took music a lot more seriously. Maybe this just reflects changing priorities as people get older. Since Sadier always wrote political lyrics, it's disappointing to see signs that she's not on the same page people thought she was — naïvely, maybe, I would have trusted her to have broadly sympathetic politics. It doesn't mean enough to me to make me stop listening to Stereolab. In fact, I'd still like Stereolab to have a future, though not if the parties involved aren't interested. (Actually I was worried when I saw all the posts in the thread revival that someone had died.)

I used to find the thread title quite annoyingly shit, but reading it in a more prosecutorial manner - it definitely works for me now! If Laetitia really wanted people to only talk about her music, she'd would have elected to talk the usual insipid pseudo mystical indie drivel or whatever, but if she doesn't think throwing your lot in with the Spiked crew and bigging up JP is going to elicit heaps of scorn, then she'd be very naive. But I doubt she is and will pretty much expect this kind of response!

I don't follow her or her career but it looks to me that she has been pretty successful at keeping her more outlandish political beliefs under her hat, judging by the consternation induced among her fans by these remarks about the Canadian Clown. Does she have any connection with the singer from Pram who gave up music to join the cult full time?

dunno tbh, but finding the consternation and butthurt quite amusing!