the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

Considering this argument is literally over the extent to which the NEC *failed* to cut-and-paste a document without changing it, that is honestly some bullshit.

"my opinion on this matter has not changed in 30 years"
"and yet i see you use exactly the same phrasing to express it! i am very intelligent."

needs some kind of two state solution

― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 4 August 2018 11:41 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

move to the north now, get bedded in imo

At the very least it would force white self-styled progressives to admit there are some minority groups they favour more than others and interrogate the reasons for that.

this seems optimistic, the people you're referring to have already shown themselves to be inconsistent and hypocritical on this issue (consciously or otherwise), why would Labour committing to allowing all minorities to officially define what constitutes bigotry against them change that?
If you're a member of a minority group but disagree with how the majority of people in that minority group about how define bigotry against the group (or how to define the group in the first place), is making this all official basically telling you to shut up? It feels hard to defend the disciplinary apparatus of the party being used against someone in this position if they're giving their own opinion on bigotry against a group they're a member of

The inevitable demands for whites to be able to officially define what constitutes anti-white bigotry would not help things either.

I'm not sure there's anywhere in the North I fancy? Antrim-ish maybe

whole north coast is beautiful but the placed all seem to be named after massacres taste's strange!

Antrim is hardcore DUP country fwiw.

thats a polite way of spelling UVF

Sammy Wilson and Ian Paisley Jr are two of its MPs and on a clear day you can see Ayrshire - enough said?

ach you never know how brexit will change things

language handy to pick up an all

From Hannlin Rede [yearly report] 2012–2013 (the Männystèr o Fairms an Kintra Fordèrin, 2012)[74]

We hae cum guid speed wi fettlin tae brucellosis, an A'm mintin at bein haleheidit tae wun tae tha stannin o bein redd o brucellosis aathegither. Forbye, A'm leukkin tae see an ettlin in core at fettlin tae tha TB o Kye, takkin in complutherin anent a screengin ontak, tha wye we'll can pit owre an inlaik in ootlay sillert wi resydentèrs. Mair betoken, but, we'll be leukkin forbye tae uphaud an ingang airtit wi tha hannlins furtae redd ootcum disayses. An we'r fur stairtin in tae leukk bodes agane fur oor baste kenmairk gate, 'at owre tha nixt wheen o yeirs wull be tha ootcum o sillerin tae aboot £60m frae resydentèrs furtae uphaud tha hale hannlin adae wi beef an tha mïlk-hoose.

That'll be the Ulster Scots then? Even Boaby Gillespie would turn up his nose at that.

the entire thing is a troll of irish obv

masterful stuff rly

There used to be some clown in Scotland who would turn up on the telly every now again talking like that - or takkin' lik' yon - and trying to get the Scottish authorities to change the road signs or whatever. For instance, I'm pretty sure nobody - sorry naebody - in NI says "stairtin'", they might say it in some parts of Scotland. They are the world's greatest wind up merchants up there.

On what could Labour do this is a concrete set of proposals:

Corbyn’s article was good but it could’ve gone further so here’s what I would like to see:

1) a substantive speech at conference on the issue, not relegated to the fringe or outsourced to momentum.

2) an expanded Compliance department including a specific internet monitoring.

— Congolesa “Fire @Jack” Rice (@judeinlondon2) August 4, 2018

Tom D might want to acquaint himself with Rab Wilson's columns for The National. The linguistic contortions are hilarious, maybe the best set is when he went to America travelling up and down the 'heichways'.

I believe it's part of the school curriculum these days and there's a taxpayer funder keeper of the language (can't find the reference because I can't remember the specific name they have).

And of course there's Scots Wikipedia

https://sco.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_leid

Couple of resignations of a couple of useless cunts long standing Lab members - using this row to do what they've been meaning to.

Obviously we can say action but Willsman getting elected to the NEC (and the fact that no one can get rid of him, unless he himself resigns) will be one way of prolonging this.

I feel like we need to be talking more about what Steve Bannon is up to with Johnson and Rees-Mogg.

soggy biscuit, one assumes

The last thing I read on Bannon was how he was struggling to build an alliance of right-wing parties across Europe...what else is he up to?

More racism from Boris today but at least he is a backbencher now.

He's definitely teeing himself up for a leadership challenge and the racism felt extremely calculated to elicit exactly the condemnation and subseqeuent defensiveness it's already recieved. I'm guessing that's what the Bannon thing is about but surely he's toxic even over here?

Can't see Johnson making it down to the final two in any case, if only because a load more Brexit MPs will bundle into the contest and split the vote.

I always thought there would always be enough people in the Con party who would be horrified at the idea of leader BJ to thwart him. But you never know these days.

I agree with DC: what is going on now -- the merging of Con Party with Far Right, I suppose - feels more dangerous than ever. The attack on a leftist bookshop another part of the pattern. The media is not able to take this on and discuss it properly, for whatever reasons.

for better or worse I'm not sure the book shop thing is any worse or scarier than when trustafarians used to throw stuff at McDonald's

meanwhile, some scofflaw ruffians have pole-vaulted across castle rees-mogg's moat:

Hoodlums have left a series of offensive messages at the home of MP Jacob Rees-Mogg and placed a pink dildo on his wife’s car.

The vandals sprayed “scum” on the side of Helena Rees-Mogg’s green Land Rover and stuck a condom-covered sex toy to the front of the vehicle’s bonnet.

The slogans “****head” and “shut up and die” were splashed over the garage walls at his estate in West Harptree in Somerset.

The slogans “politics = death” and “posh scum” were written across the patio window of the leading Brexiteer.

And someone sprayed “t**t” on an umbrella stand in the garden.

The mischief-makers hit the home of the Tory MP on Wednesday night while he and his family were on holiday in New York. It was the family maid who discovered the mess on Thursday morning.

spare a thought for the poor maid, who was presumably overcome by an attack of the vapours at the sight

Are umbrella stands no longer safe from these far left hooligans?

cook pass Babtridge

those slogans are shit

absolutely pathetic tbh!

"shut up and die" is teaching that bally rotter a lesson!

kind of makes me wonder if it wasn't a) aggrieved neighbours or b) neighbourhood posh kids after a day on the lash

false flag attack from the maid imo

All the evidence points towards the perp being his old nanny.

apart from being famously weird, why does he have an umbrella stand in the garden?

to put his umbrellas in

oh it probably means a "table umbrella stand", doesn't it

very non-u, we called it a "parasol base" at s towers

All the evidence points towards the perp being his old nanny.

:D :D :D

the GOAT

cook pass Babtridge

cowe gonna Be chopps

Johnson'a busted flush. he could have walked into number 10 two years ago but bottled it. No amount of dog whistle articles is going to change that, Tories are looking for someone younger and sexier, like erm Rees-Mogg.

Can't see Johnson making it down to the final two in any case, if only because a load more Brexit MPs will bundle into the contest and split the vote.

I suspect that’s exactly why Bannon is meeting them, to make sure they don’t compete against one another.

"The mischief makers"

"the cheeky vandals"

No one in Paris, Berlin or Brussels doubts that Brexit is dangerous for the EU and that the failure of talks would be disastrous. But what those who seek to mobilise that prospect for leverage in the negotiations fail to appreciate is how the whole threatening idiom – defiant swigging from the bottle marked “no deal” – completes the picture of a nation losing its balance, sliding out of control. British politics has turned crazy and the craziest politicians wave their craziness around as proof that they should be taken more seriously. The red-eyed, slurring drunk offers to demonstrate his sobriety by pouring out another drink without shpilling a shingle drop.

I have some sympathy with JM's call for an urgent battle against the Far Right -

https://labour.org.uk/press/john-mcdonnell-calls-launch-new-broad-based-nationwide-movement-resist-racism-growth-far-right/

- though it could be seen as slightly unfortunate that his model was linked, as far as I know, to the SWP more than Labour.

I also have a sense that the main problem with treatment of the far right isn't the absence of left opposition to them (though attempts to crush and demoralize the left will increase this problem), but the accommodating credulousness of the liberal / consevrtaive / presumably supposedly centrist media.

Bang on cue, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ukip-suspends-members-protest-bookmarks-socialist-bookshop-attack-london-a8480466.html

what an utterly shocking turn of events

two seconds of that video, these people are infants

i was browsing thru some of Nash-Jones's online handiwork today, he's just one of those pathological weirdos too in his senses for the asylum and too out of them to be roaming the streets