The future of Stereolab

Which one was that, the last one I got was Chords for the Lobster Tidied Rooms

i think it was called Salt Brain

Since Silencio, she put out Something Shines and Finding Me Finding You (as Laetitia Sadier Source Ensemble). Both are fantastic.

yeah Finding Me Finding You. I liked it, will dig it out tonite.

inclined to agree that jettisoning appreciation of an artist's entire body of work because of a stupid tweet is a bit much.

but tbf I listen to a fair chunk of music by people with criminal records, loathsome politics etc.

Same here but it's more than a stupid tweet.

doublechecked wikipedia to see if the RCP actually ever identified as trots -- often an issue in flyspeck sectarian uk groupuscules -- and the answer is apparently YES tho i think they were nonetheless not echt fourth-internationalists despite a thread of connection (unexplored in WP) to the IS: their argt was that the living line of revolutionary marxism had broken and would need to be re-established

anyway what actually caught my eye was that they drew up a document in 1983 called PREPARING FOR POWER so you can't say they weren't optimistic

(their chief source of presence is probably that they were REALLY early in on the internet, running a v successful internet cafe called CYBERIA and putting themsevves around as advisors on e.g. magazine wanting to turn digital -- i worked with a little clutch of them in the mid-late 90s and tbh, terrible politics aside, learnt quite a lot abt computer publishing from them)

(by "worked with them" i mean i worked for a magazine that had brought them in as consultants… this is was around the time of the libel case)

lol @ CYBERIA

I remember doing an 'ambient' DJ set with a load of Fax CDs in the basement of that place which was a 'smart bar' called... Sub Cyberia. DJ Spooky was hanging around and there was shiatsu. This is about the most mid 90s scene I can think of.

Didn't know about the politics except that they were around squatter activist places I guess.

it was in whitfield street i think

i never went

the london one i mean

I mean I think the founders were in and around activist circles. Anyway, Easynet seemed to be a fairly enthusiastically capitalist enterprise IME, swallowing up smaller ISPs.

https://www.laetitiasadier.net

Friends,

When I came across Jordan Peterson, I was initially interested by his arguments about Nietzsche, Jung and Dostoevsky.

The Guardian published a review of his book earlier this year but shortly after printed another article, one that attacked him personally. However questionable I think his arguments are now, I objected to the way he, rather than his ideas, was demonised. My tweet was about his right to hold his ideas rather than support for them per se.

Following my tweet, I started seeing more clearly the cracks in his reasoning: his systematic assault on what he calls neo Marxism, his hang up on social justice warriors, his narrow biological determinism around gender issues were perturbing to say the least. And the fact that he would never acknowledge the malignant impact of colonialism or neo liberalism was evidence that his is a one-sided argument. It just took me a little longer than some of you to fully realise this. I didn’t make that public. I should have done and I am sorry for that.

La Resistance!

a small victory

Does that mean the live Instragam chainsawing stream of my #Stereolab collection was premature

Hopefully a full and frank interview with John Riggers will now follow to clear up any confusion

xp
no, you just need to shear yr own testicles off with a stihlsaw for being such a persistently wank poster instead;)

my faith in Ms Sadier restored (continues blasting Space Age Bachelor Pad Music)

wow, what a cunt.

Cool opinion

”I was initially interested by his arguments about Nietzsche, Jung and Dostoevsky.”

it's kind of difficult to believe because Peterson's never said anything interesting in his life but hey

Colour me a teensy weensy bit sceptical - I think she realised the overlap between Peterson fans and Stereolab/Sadier fans is negligible at best.

That said, I don't really care about the political opinions of people I listen to. I tend to think that if anything, artists may be more naive and potentially wrong-headed about politics than your average reasonably educated person

I have never, not once, heard Jordan Peterson referenced outside of ILX, so I have no trouble believing that Ms. Sadier's sole initial exposure to him constituted a book review in the Guardian.

lol! wilfully naive would be a very kind description of that utter bollox you just posted!

I suppose she deserves some credit for outing herself as a hapless boob, she has got an audience to maintain though. Give it a couple of months and she'll no doubt be tweeting some other Spiked-endorsed garbage though.

Can all you old-fart fuckheads who don't like Stereolab get the fuck off our thread now?

oh come on, everyone likes stereolab

those hep young cats Stereolab eh? I still like to blast out a bit of Bridgitte Bardot when I'm pissed, but I wouldn't be defensive about what an arsehole she is! it makes me lol when whatever shit indie darlings of the 90's are revealed to be either complete melts or outright neo-fascists, the predictable ILM bed-wetting that follows when people have the audacity to post about what objectionable pricks they are!

we could start a thread for dunking on musicians who turn out to be into the whole lobster thing but eh

it was an alright film!

all good things in time

"I have never, not once, heard Jordan Peterson referenced outside of ILX,"

true for me at first as well, although about a week later I kept seeing his name all over the fucking place and realized that cabal of idiot libertarian thinkers are a huge deal to some subset of the population

" I don't really care about the political opinions of people I listen to."

Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. Seeing a video this morning of Lydon opening a PIL show by going off on Corbyn and the labour party was enough for me to decide not to see them when they swing into town this fall.
My idiot racist uncle whose views on everything I deplore seems to still have no problem loving Neil Young, Springsteen, and Tom Waits, I guess that's the only admirable thing about him.

the predictable ILM bed-wetting that follows when people have the audacity to post about what objectionable pricks they are any opinion not consistent with wokeness

bloody pc brigade again, eh?

i hate when people drag politics into my marxism

It's nothing to do with political correctness; what little I know of JP makes me want not want to investigate further. But the constant pearl clutching on this forum over things like this (and the increasing lack of discussions about music) is such a bore

sorry for boring you

Will nobody think of the music

Unfortunately we can't all be Turrican ;_;

well yeah, there is only a small % of ppl who have a talent for expressing music in the written word, and so thus a dearth of completely riveting flowerings of pure musical discussions!

i can do it i just choose not to

I was listening to Sky High by Fuxa (one side of a split with Stereolab's 'You Used To Call Me Sadness') yesterday. When life is stressful, which is always, music like that is nothing short of magic, it transports me to this place of tranquility where everything is going to be alright and nobody is being mean or cruel. It was mentioned upthread that the Fuxa guy is a libertarian and this fact will ever so slightly spoil my enjoyment of his music as every time I hear it I will be reminded that its creator believes in the politics of the selfish and infantile. Is that fair? Not at all, no. But it's unavoidable, isn't it?

no?

I kinda agree with paul here. I think the tearing down of musicians like this also coincides with Americans that are frustrated their country is a mess and just want to drop shit on anyone who threatens their ideological politics. Not saying this is just Americans were upset by this but the middle ground fell out and we all want blood now. Think of the children 👶

for fuck's sake

it is a natural, human reaction to be disappointed when someone you're a fan of supports reactionary/misogynist people, particularly if you're part of a group those reactionaries tend to target