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also he fuckin invented pringles

Always forget that

he wanted to call them pringellae

not quite true

Is it true you invented the machine that makes Pringles potato chips?

GW: I developed it. I did not invent it. That was done by a German gentlemen whose name I've forgotten for years. I developed the machine that cooks them. He had invented the basic idea, how to make the potato dough, pressing it between two forms, more or less as in a wrap-around, immersing them in hot cooking oil, and so forth and so on. And we were then called in, I was in the engineering development division, and asked to develop mass production equipment to make these chips. And we divided the task into the dough making/dough rolling portion, which was done by Len Hooper, and the cooking portion, which was done by me, and then the pickoff and salting portion, which was done by someone else, and then the can filling/can sealing portion which was done by a man who was almost driven insane by the program. Because he would develop a machine, and he would have it almost ready to go, and they would say "Oh, instead of 300 cans a minute, make it 500 cans a minute." And so he would have to throw out a bunch of stuff, and develop the new machine, and when he got that one about ready, they'd say "make it 700 cans a minute." And they almost put him in a mental hospital. He took his job very seriously and he just about flipped out.

That is a top 20 Wolfe short story right there

Lol

"Oh, instead of 300 cans a minute, make it 500 cans a minute."

"Ok build two machines."

The Cans of Dr. Pringellae and Other Cans

lol

I posted this on that late great NEWSUN thread without realizing it was on the (now dead?) noize board, so I'm just gonna put it here instead:

barelling through a re-read of these, just started Claw of the Conciliator. The transition from the end of Shadow of the Torturer to Claw of the Conciliator is so jarring and disorienting. And then it takes several chapters to get up to speed on where Severian is/how much time has passed.

one random thing that's stuck out at me this last time around - have people terraformed the moon? There's a reference to the moon's "green" glow, and then later a reference to the "fabled emerald forests of the moon". Just one of those weird details thrown in in the background with no further explication, easy to gloss over but curious to ponder.

also really enjoying reading these with the internet handy, cuz now I can look up all the weird words thrown about (most of which, like the thing with the moon, don't seem particularly critical but do add a compelling level of detail).

I can think of few other writers who do such an incredible job of keeping the reader off-balance - you never know what's going to turn out to be significant in the narrative.

"The Death of Doctor Island."
― dow, Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:05 PM

I like this mistaken title.

I should have kept my list of words from Clark Ashton Smith that I couldn't find in my dictionary and had to use the internet for.

Mistaken? Isn’t it a real title? Let me see.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-isaac-asimov-blunder-that-led-to-three-new-gene-wol-1578875701

yeah idgi, every title variant is a distinct story

The Cans of Dr. Pringellae and Other Cans

next thread title

Lol

also been reading Karin Tidbeck's "Jagannath" bit by bit, she's great.

I read the beginning of that back when I could still read a little and it was pretty good

James Redd- That's cool, thanks.

Οὖτις - Would like to hear your thoughts when you're finished.

so far my favorites are the one with the kid grown in a can and the guy who fell in love with a spaceship (which subsequently considers him a presumptuous rapist)

Two books by Farah Rose Smith

The Visitor (3 out of 5 stars)

This is two short stories, one of them the title story and one is a preview from the upcoming (?) Anonyma.

The first story starts well with the depiction of the Afterworld but I found the rest not quite interesting enough. Something about the way the rock and roll/goth/decadent milieu was depicted seemed just a bit too familiar, maybe cliched.

Second story was far more interesting, simply an interview with an architect, good enough to save this book from two stars, despite again feeling that perhaps the depiction of the architect and the aesthetic movements he belongs to were too familiar, maybe cliched.

Weird Fiction sometimes has a problem with its lovingly depicted common character types (recluses, scholars, antiquarians, aesthetes, dandies, decadents, nihilists, goths, Crowley-esque bastards) and the associates art movements, feeling a bit too obvious or some other problem I cant quite put my finger on. Not that I want these things to be abandoned, they just need to be approached with extra care.

But it is absorbing and it contains references to Smith's later books The Almanac Of Dust (which is very good) and Eviscerator (which I've just started).

Do those Christian crosses between the words "Modern" and "Gothic" have any religious significance? I don't mind either way, I'm just curious. Maybe we'll find out if Anonyma comes out.

The Almanac Of Dust (4 out of 5 stars)

My main reservation about this is the "everything is nothing" doomy sermons. I heard someone complaining a while ago about too many stories featuring voids and nothingness, seeming kind of a empty threat. Could we take these sermons as a partial reflection of the arrogance of Von Rehm (who I guessed was a provocateur who was nonetheless onto something) and Bhodi (who is disgusted by Von Rehm but reluctantly absorbs his ideas)?

But don't let that put you off, for a book so much about nothingness and with a surprisingly small word count taking up its pages (many of the pages have only one or two sentences), this has so much in it. There's a lot of passages to puzzle over (wonder what is supposed to mean something and what is supposed to be the mad gibberish of men going insane), pause over and admire. I liked the observation about illness and medicine leaving different fragments of a person intact.

I like that Smith isn't afraid to bring the purple and use unnaturally theatrical speech (especially Bhodi's rant to the city as he stands outside in the wind). Some very pleasing imagery too.

James Thomson's City Of Dreadful Night (which I've been meaning to read) is quoted at the start and I don't know how much influence it is on this story but what it resembles more than anything else I've read is Hodgson's The Night Land, with similar kinds of monsters. The journey that ends the story was very good.

This may be regarded as my personal preference but I would have liked more description of the places. I think an earlier and more detailed description of the home and surrounding country would have enhanced it. And though we are told what the Silver City looks like generally, I still found it a little too vague when we actually get there.

But I hope you buy this from Lulu in print or get the kindle version. I hope it doesn't fly under the radar. I hope this is reprinted many times by increasingly large publishers and I hope Farah Rose Smith goes very far.

Lol-tastic true tale here, concerning the downside of winning the Church of $c13nt0l0gy-related short fiction contest: https://www.authoralden.com/2018/08/goingclearwater.html?spref=fb

Kind of glad the one time I entered it resulted in a straight rejection.

I read a comic adaptation of some Fafhrd & Grey Mouser stories and remember enjoying that a lot. Perhaps because it was my first taste of urban fantasy. Or maybe I was just distracted by the usual Mignola loveliness.

I’m definitely keeping my fafhrd/mouser paperbacks with the nice mignola covers and spot illos

Two new to me strugatsky brothers books in fopp this afternoon, 2 for £5 (as well as hard to be a God dvd cheap). Um, doomed city, and another...

Monday Begins on Saturday? I bought the same twofer myself the other day! Fopp have quite a lot of SF Masterworks in stock at the moment, at least in Glasgow - lots of PKD in particular.

I finished all the Marses, Red, Green, and Blue. For their faults they are an astonishing achievement, absolutely top tier SF. Hard SF so not everyone's cup of tea; however, rather than just being speculative physics the main scientific focus is geography and geology, with large helpings of meteorology, hydrology, ecology, biology, sociology, psychology, economics, politics... the breadth is really impressive. But hey it's not all dry facts and book learnin'! There's plenty of good, varied characterisation and even moments of poetry, enough to get you past the pages and pages of martian landscape description (which is less of a problem in books 2 and 3).

Now reading The Female Man, which is righteously angry.

Hugo Award results:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/aug/20/hugo-awards-women-nk-jemisin-wins-best-novel

Veteran writer Lois McMaster Bujold, herself a four-time best novel winner, won the best series award for her World of the Five Gods sequence. Really enjoyed Memory---pace and levels, incl allusions made-comprehensible-without-getting-bogged-down to total series noob me---will have to check Five Gods stories too.

I carried on upthread about Memory, natch.

All the Vorkosigan books are pretty good and worth a read.

Noticed earlier that Glen Cook is releasing his first Black Company book in 30 years next month!

this just got posted, my bro sent me the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nclIvAYdRdo

kinda boring but lol @ Beatles talk

posting here in case anyone has any recs for Jordan:

It's too bad, because I've really been in the mood for some literary sci-fi/genre-bending.

So, any suggestions for new entries? I feel like it's increasingly hard to find new fiction where the writing is sentence-level great and also has, shall we say, thrillpower.

I realize there may not be much market incentive these days for young authors to spend time creating work like this and satisfy my specific entertainment desires, but I'd love something that hits that old Lethem/David Mitchell sweet spot.

― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:49 PM

I suggested Karen Tidbeck, although she doesn't quite do the same thing as Lethem and Mitchell do. Closer to Kafka or something, I suppose?

Karen Russell maybe? She’s a grower.

I will always rep for my man Charles Yu, who has something of Lethem's sad-sack protagonist schtick

I started 'How to Live Safely...' and had a hard time getting into it. :/ The tone reminded of The Martian, which is not a good thing.

I'm excited to read Tidbeck though.

The Martian? I haven't read it but isn't that more hard-science...?

well it's definitely not literary

tbf I don't think Yu's a great prose stylist or anything, but I feel he does mix realism and its potential for emotional impact well with weird sf ideas.

Kevin Barry's City of Bohane might qualify. It's set in a semi-fictional Irish city in 2053 and has some fantastical elements (although there's essentially zero sci in its fi)

He's definitely an original stylist though

parts of Lanark def reminded me of Mitchell's Black Swan Green

that book is super-weird and unique tho

I second the rec of Karen Russell, also suggest Kelly Link, both of whom I've carried on about upthread---ditto those two volumes of Houghton Mifflin/Mariner's The Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy, series edited by John Joseph Adams. I prefer the 2016 collection, guest edited by Karen Joy Fowler (check her novels too, starting with We Are All Completely Beside Ourselves, tracking the aftermath of raising a furry primate with/in a human family---there actually were and maybe are daddy scientists doing this, so it's a different kind of science fiction, also a Pen/Faulkner winner). But 2015, guest ed. by Joe Hill, also has some remarkable stories overall--most by authors new to me---it's just that having Russell and Link in the same collection provides a couple of acts that are hard to follow.
Haven't yet gotten to guest ed. Charles Yu's 2017 selection (haven't read any of his own stories either). 2018, guested by NK Jemisin, comes out Oct. 2.
Oh yeah, and Colson Whitehead's zombie-clean-up slab, Zone One, sported a jacket promising literary satisfactions and tasty pulp, delivered both.

Saw a potentially interesting recent book about Ballard at the library today but didn’t check it out

Ooh yeah Kelly Link, she’s great

I'd love something that hits that old Lethem/David Mitchell sweet spot.

I feel wary about 'recommending' a book I haven't read myself, but this recentish novel by Michel Faber (who also wrote Under the Skin) got pretty good reviews, including a rave from M John Harrison, who knows a thing or two;

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/oct/23/the-book-of-strange-new-things-michel-faber-review

omg the book of strange new things is the worst. ludicrous characters, ludicrous situation. m john harrison said "it has such a lot of religious, linguistic, philosophical and political freight to deliver" but i unpacked those boxes and they were all empty. haven't read any lethem *gasps* (though ilx is doing its best to persuade me), but it has absolutely none of the invention or zest of cloud atlas.

Thanks all! I haven't read an anthology in years so I will check out the Best Americans.

I love Under the Skin but reading about the backstory behind Book of Strange New Things, idk, seemed heavy in a way that made me say "mmmm, maybe not now". Although the space priest setup brings to mind those weird Ender's Game sequels that I read as a kid.

I do remember enjoying Zone One, I think it was the first e-book I read. Weirdly Colson Whitehead has been coming up a lot lately and I had completely forgotton about the existence of that book until now.

Reading The Apex Book Of World SF. Very impressed by the first story by S.P. Somtow, though it's more horror than sci-fi - a series of killings, viewed from the perspective of an American kid who fled China w/ his mother when the communists took over and ended up in Thailand. Lots of historical weight (Nanking Massacre and so on), and prejudices - Thai vs Chinese, Chinese vs Japanese. I'm a few more stories in but nothing has really impressed me in the same way.

Somtow probably best known for Vampire Junction in the 80s.

People really angry with SilverBob's ill advised comments

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