i saw on my way to work the other day that somebody had put up a STOP KISSING ILLEGAL ASS sticker on the back of a stop sign and i made a note to tear it down but it had alreay been torn down by the time i got back from work
― the late great, Sunday, 12 August 2018 22:34 (five years ago) link
they are not my immediate neighbor. my immediate neighbors are a black and latino mixed race couple (they are military and into martial arts and shooting, they have a WE DON’T CALL 911 sign w a picture of a 45 on it on the front door that i wish they’d take down)
i live in a condo complex so i actually have seven neighbors and they’re all cool. gay, straight, white, black, asian, latino, young, old etc etc
it’s the people in detached housing down the street you got to look out for /iatee
― the late great, Sunday, 12 August 2018 22:39 (five years ago) link
but yeah they look like nice people, white and probably xian but who knows. i assume it’s some sort of community service organization? they also had a tent on the lawn nezt to the flagpole which is why i thought of scouting first
you just never know these days
― the late great, Sunday, 12 August 2018 22:41 (five years ago) link
That’s true. If they seem nice and normal I’d reckon they’re not bonafide ideological nazis but who the fuck knows anymore
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 12 August 2018 22:42 (five years ago) link
to summarize guns are a big thing but not sure about racism, must say that if i had to choose between having guns in the nbhd and having racists in the nbhd i might actually pick racists
― the late great, Sunday, 12 August 2018 22:44 (five years ago) link
Can’t stress enough how underwhelming the #UniteTheRight2 #unitetheright group is. Twenty MAGA dudes walking inside of 100s of cops, 100s of media, and 1000s of counter demonstrators down F street pic.twitter.com/BQZBpn9oME— Scott Heins (@scottheins) August 12, 2018
it really does look more like a police parade than a rally
funny thing that
― Milton Parker, Sunday, 12 August 2018 22:47 (five years ago) link
Yeah i mean even most maga people i assume aren’t down with this crowd. Which makes trump’s inability to condemn them even creepier
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 12 August 2018 22:51 (five years ago) link
can someone explain why alt right ppl are so into anime?
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:39 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
so are a lot of tankies ime
― No organ. (crüt), Sunday, 12 August 2018 22:58 (five years ago) link
Most maga people not into this because of course they are not racist. I mean, they'll support racists and racist policy and policy that people call racist, but march with racists? Heaven forbid, they love all kinds of people! White people, brown people, black people yellow people ...
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 August 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link
I am not saying they are not racist jesus fucking christ
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 12 August 2018 23:06 (five years ago) link
If you want to live in a mental world where 40% of the country are equivalent to neo nazis who chanted “jews will not replace us” before running over a woman with a car, fine
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 12 August 2018 23:07 (five years ago) link
But as milton parker pointed out, barely anyone showed up to this thing today. Which is good. It means they are not widely supported.
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 12 August 2018 23:09 (five years ago) link
Chill out dude, I don't like these racists or the racist maga people.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 August 2018 23:32 (five years ago) link
cool, so we're agreed
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 12 August 2018 23:32 (five years ago) link
― Trϵϵship
couldn't get across the country from the racist rally in portland last weekend in time, i gather
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 12 August 2018 23:34 (five years ago) link
xpost not widely supported anywhere, except by the police
between this and portland/berkeley last week, fascinating to watch the police strategy for these rallies tack towards escorts & barricades & shutting down public transit services (and lying about doing so) as the best way to prevent violence
I was at Berkeley last week, it was the same thing; micro-gathering in MLK park, with police barricades roping off all public access one block off in all directions. It's a united decision.
― Milton Parker, Sunday, 12 August 2018 23:37 (five years ago) link
hm, yeah it is quite fucked especially because the white supremacist groups have been the perpetrators of the violence not the victims.
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 12 August 2018 23:38 (five years ago) link
you'd think someone might have alerted them to the possible optics of starting to do this nationwide, all in the same week. I suspect it didn't occur to whomever it was handing down the orders that those optics would be bad
― Milton Parker, Sunday, 12 August 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link
i have this weird feeling that the ones who get "optics" on that front... maybe is ok with the way this looks /paranoid
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 12 August 2018 23:59 (five years ago) link
*maybe are ok
Police chiefs, police union leaders and their subordinate honchos mostly just want to have an excuse to fuck up antifa and BLM folks; barricading KKK wannabes is a great opportunity to get to do that
― El Tomboto, Monday, 13 August 2018 00:08 (five years ago) link
DCPD isn’t like that but I assume Fairfax totally is
― El Tomboto, Monday, 13 August 2018 00:09 (five years ago) link
Some depts are more blatant/overt than others, but given the chance, cops will side with the fash every damn time. Can't imagine why, tho
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 13 August 2018 00:44 (five years ago) link
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 August 2018 01:14 (five years ago) link
on that note...
"Map Ref. 42°N 94°W"
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Monday, 13 August 2018 01:21 (five years ago) link
ooooops wrong thread
Coordinates of the neo-Nazi stronghold.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 13 August 2018 01:23 (five years ago) link
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/us/unite-the-right-charlottesville-anniversary/index.html
apparently the white supremacists only had around two dozen people show up on their side today
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 13 August 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link
kind of freaked out that I'm apparently a 45 minute drive from the neo-nazi stronghold
― mh, Monday, 13 August 2018 13:33 (five years ago) link
think of it as on opportunity. how long do you think it will take you to paint their building pink over night?
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 August 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
lol sorry that was a joke referencing m bison's mispost
there is no stronghold at "Map Ref. 42°N 94°W"
― mh, Monday, 13 August 2018 16:00 (five years ago) link
well, we gotta do something with all this pink paint...
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 August 2018 16:32 (five years ago) link
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/us/unite-the-right-charlottesville-anniversary/index.htmlapparently the white supremacists only had around two dozen people show up on their side today― Trϵϵship, Monday, August 13, 2018 3:15 AM (thirteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Trϵϵship, Monday, August 13, 2018 3:15 AM (thirteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Was nice of DC Metro to give two dozen assholes their private subway ride to the protest
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 13 August 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
maybe next time they could just seal the subway car doors and drop it off on a side track that's no longer in use
― mh, Monday, 13 August 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
There's extensive video of them being put on a separate train car.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, August 12, 2018 9:36 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ATU friend tells me they were loaded en masse to their own car w/their metro pd escort, but that the car hadn't been cleared of all others -- so basically they got a "shared" car that they shared with their police escort and whichever unlucky tourists were boarding at Vienna that morning
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 20:57 (five years ago) link
new Contrapoints, on the language and outlook of incels, is awesome and disturbing. She goes to some truly insightful places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD2briZ6fB0
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 18 August 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
halfway through. this is pretty informative
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 18 August 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
She’s a genius.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 18 August 2018 17:51 (five years ago) link
wow yeah, that ends up ending up really interesting and powerful in drawing connections to a specific experience to reach out in a way that's empathetic. "the solution to that has to be therapeutic, not logical."
― Doctor Casϵϵno (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 18 August 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
She balances empathy and scorn so wonderfully.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 18 August 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
i think she does a good job analyzing what is happening with the people who visit these forums--looking for confirmations of their hopelessness/basically engaging in "digital self harm"--and she is totally right that this is a "death cult."
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 18 August 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link
the creepy thing to me about these people is that it's like a closed worldview with its own vocabulary that makes no sense to outsiders. we are all familiar with what sexism looks like, but these people are way more extreme--they have a completely brutal and unrelenting theory of human behavior/hierarchy
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 18 August 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
one of the problems is ascribing humanity to non-humans
― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 18 August 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link
i think they're humans. many of them probably don't *fully* believe in this stuff but are participating in order to vent or explore some unsavory parts of their own character and psychology. (not an excuse -- by posting this stuff, they're spreading evil in the world).
but you're right, there is certainly an element here that is truly antisocial and dangerous and it's hard to know what to do about it. more stigma isn't gonna work bc these people aren't looking to be accepted by the normies.
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 18 August 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link
i support unplugging the internet for a period of five years in which the whole of humanity explores their consciousness in silent meditation
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 18 August 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
yes that. of course i don't believe that you "win an argument" by adopting the rhetoric of your enemy. i'm certain that fascism is a refusal to recognize humanism and that using the latter to contest the former is silly. this is not about logic and conviction.
― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 18 August 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
and you know damn well Treesh that the internet isn't getting unplugged so as a proposal...come on.
― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 18 August 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link
Really liked her coinage of "dogmatic hopelessness," which better gets at what I've tried to write about these guys here (on another thread maybe): that it's linked to psychological theories of "embeddedness"-- a fear of and resistence to change, growing up, etc (perhaps also linked to being left behind by your peer group and a larger social disinclination to socialize young men). It's an ideological deliberately designed to forestall taking any form of action other than resentment and self-criticism. Plus, it's clear their feelings of rejection are largely fantasized projections. As anyone who's been rejected repeatedly can tell you: it's not that bad.
― ryan, Saturday, 18 August 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link
bingo
― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 18 August 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link
They can’t react normally to anything. Even, like, deciding to take a break from the dating game—which i feel like most people do from time to time—becomes an ideological thinv rooted in resentment of women they call “mgtow”
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 18 August 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link