the alt-right

xpost not widely supported anywhere, except by the police

between this and portland/berkeley last week, fascinating to watch the police strategy for these rallies tack towards escorts & barricades & shutting down public transit services (and lying about doing so) as the best way to prevent violence

I was at Berkeley last week, it was the same thing; micro-gathering in MLK park, with police barricades roping off all public access one block off in all directions. It's a united decision.

hm, yeah it is quite fucked especially because the white supremacist groups have been the perpetrators of the violence not the victims.

you'd think someone might have alerted them to the possible optics of starting to do this nationwide, all in the same week. I suspect it didn't occur to whomever it was handing down the orders that those optics would be bad

i have this weird feeling that the ones who get "optics" on that front... maybe is ok with the way this looks /paranoid

*maybe are ok

Police chiefs, police union leaders and their subordinate honchos mostly just want to have an excuse to fuck up antifa and BLM folks; barricading KKK wannabes is a great opportunity to get to do that

DCPD isn’t like that but I assume Fairfax totally is

Some depts are more blatant/overt than others, but given the chance, cops will side with the fash every damn time. Can't imagine why, tho

i have this weird feeling that the ones who get "optics" on that front... maybe is ok with the way this looks /paranoid

on that note...

"Map Ref. 42°N 94°W"

ooooops wrong thread

Coordinates of the neo-Nazi stronghold.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/us/unite-the-right-charlottesville-anniversary/index.html

apparently the white supremacists only had around two dozen people show up on their side today

kind of freaked out that I'm apparently a 45 minute drive from the neo-nazi stronghold

think of it as on opportunity. how long do you think it will take you to paint their building pink over night?

lol sorry that was a joke referencing m bison's mispost

there is no stronghold at "Map Ref. 42°N 94°W"

well, we gotta do something with all this pink paint...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/us/unite-the-right-charlottesville-anniversary/index.html

apparently the white supremacists only had around two dozen people show up on their side today

― Trϵϵship, Monday, August 13, 2018 3:15 AM (thirteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Was nice of DC Metro to give two dozen assholes their private subway ride to the protest

maybe next time they could just seal the subway car doors and drop it off on a side track that's no longer in use

There's extensive video of them being put on a separate train car.

― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, August 12, 2018 9:36 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ATU friend tells me they were loaded en masse to their own car w/their metro pd escort, but that the car hadn't been cleared of all others -- so basically they got a "shared" car that they shared with their police escort and whichever unlucky tourists were boarding at Vienna that morning

new Contrapoints, on the language and outlook of incels, is awesome and disturbing. She goes to some truly insightful places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD2briZ6fB0

halfway through. this is pretty informative

She’s a genius.

wow yeah, that ends up ending up really interesting and powerful in drawing connections to a specific experience to reach out in a way that's empathetic. "the solution to that has to be therapeutic, not logical."

She balances empathy and scorn so wonderfully.

i think she does a good job analyzing what is happening with the people who visit these forums--looking for confirmations of their hopelessness/basically engaging in "digital self harm"--and she is totally right that this is a "death cult."

the creepy thing to me about these people is that it's like a closed worldview with its own vocabulary that makes no sense to outsiders. we are all familiar with what sexism looks like, but these people are way more extreme--they have a completely brutal and unrelenting theory of human behavior/hierarchy

one of the problems is ascribing humanity to non-humans

i think they're humans. many of them probably don't *fully* believe in this stuff but are participating in order to vent or explore some unsavory parts of their own character and psychology. (not an excuse -- by posting this stuff, they're spreading evil in the world).

but you're right, there is certainly an element here that is truly antisocial and dangerous and it's hard to know what to do about it. more stigma isn't gonna work bc these people aren't looking to be accepted by the normies.

i support unplugging the internet for a period of five years in which the whole of humanity explores their consciousness in silent meditation

yes that. of course i don't believe that you "win an argument" by adopting the rhetoric of your enemy. i'm certain that fascism is a refusal to recognize humanism and that using the latter to contest the former is silly. this is not about logic and conviction.

and you know damn well Treesh that the internet isn't getting unplugged so as a proposal...come on.

Really liked her coinage of "dogmatic hopelessness," which better gets at what I've tried to write about these guys here (on another thread maybe): that it's linked to psychological theories of "embeddedness"-- a fear of and resistence to change, growing up, etc (perhaps also linked to being left behind by your peer group and a larger social disinclination to socialize young men). It's an ideological deliberately designed to forestall taking any form of action other than resentment and self-criticism.

Plus, it's clear their feelings of rejection are largely fantasized projections. As anyone who's been rejected repeatedly can tell you: it's not that bad.

bingo

They can’t react normally to anything. Even, like, deciding to take a break from the dating game—which i feel like most people do from time to time—becomes an ideological thinv rooted in resentment of women they call “mgtow”

So you’re right—they’re reaching for a dogma that will justify their comfortable misery

I just don't see why these guys don't get into Cioran and Schopenhauer like I did at 20. At least I learned some stuff!

It is interesting to see many people (men, usually) make fun of their own teenage fascination with Nietzsche or whatever...they forget I think the intense terror and vulnerability you can feel when leaving one secure part of life for another, less certain one. That kind of thinking provides a sort of encouragement for living a life of risk, not fearful of pain, that we forget we need as we become comfortable adults again. These kids needs a Zarathustra, is what I'm saying.

First sentence - because they're not bright enough

I looked at the /r/Braincels forum, and the general reaction to Contrapoints's video seems to be "stop posting that video." :/ Hopefully it helps one person.

There's a longer answer that I'm too lazy to make on a Saturday night but this is the bottom line - fascism isn't an ideology for kids that are looking for answers, it's an ideology for kids that know everything

otm

overshadowed by other news today, but more charges were handed down related to the August 2017 Charlottesville rally:

http://www.nbc29.com/story/38931219/richard-wilson-preston-court-08-21-2018

my takeaway from this is that prosecutors couldn't prove intent, so they used the "within 1000 feet of a school" law instead. I'm fine w/that, bye asshole.

whatever happened to that guy who was on that Vice documentary with all the guns on his bed who ended up filming youtube vids where he was sibbing about the feds coming to kill him?

if i need to be more specific about which alt_right chud I'm referencing I'm afraid I can't

Chris Cantwell, the Crying Nazi?

i think there was something on twitter about moving back in with his parents

must have imagined that

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/wjk7bn/a-year-after-charlottesville-the-alt-right-is-in-shambles?utm_medium=vicenewstwitter

kinda wish this thread title was just "Crying Nazis"

Today, Cantwell lives alone, in an apartment with very dark curtains. His shelves are filled with protein powder and nutritional supplements, he has a room full of exercise equipment, and he’s taped up signs reminding him to “STOP SAYING FUCK” on the fridge and in the bathroom. His sole source of income is his racist content business, including a podcast he says has an audience of 10,000.

What a pathetic pud.

James Alex Fields, Jr. allegedly drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing Heather Heyer.

I'm seeing this wording a lot and it is very confusing to me. what exactly is "alleged" at this point? Heather Heyer is, in fact, dead; there is a video of a car being driven into a crowd of counter-protesters. what the fuck is the other option here? surprise, the car was actually elon musk's self-driving car he never told anybody about?

he hasn't been convicted in court