the 1975

I don't apply the prism of online to everything, but it seems appropriate for a song from an album with Online in its title which quotes bad online memes

For one, the song is ontologically, conceptually and creatively distinct from the lines it quotes, whereas retweeting a bad tweet doesn’t quite get there.

This logic would extend to a criticism of news media covering politics because “it’s basically retweeting abuse for comment.” That analogy isn’t devoid of merit but collapsing all of these things together requires ignoring about five hundred elephants filling up the room.

i don't have much to contribute, but i just wanna say it's been fascinating (and edifying, really!) to basically see the no-platforming journalism debate play out in miniature by way of unpacking this song

i also wanna throw out there, sort of adjacent to/responding to katherine's concerns, that one of the (perhaps privacy-inconsiderate?) appeals of ILX to me has been its unique status as a forum where i've seen some of my favorite music writers really engage with each other in thoughtful dialog, in real time (not to mention the archive!). the relative transparency as to who writes about music and also posts on here has been an essential part of humanizing the world of music criticism to me, as well as a view into the backend of the whole space.

maybe that voyeurism is rude to the writer people who post on here, maybe my assumptions are naive, idk. i'm definitely skewed by my longtime abdication of privacy in my own digital spaces. i just wanted to provide a second-generation forum user perspective on the meta-question of linkages to writers' work outside of the forum.

great posts by Tim and Jordan itt, much better than the song tbh

Dragging someone’s work into ilx in order to score poitns seems... vulgar

― Trϵϵship, Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:30 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I did not "drag someone's work into ILX" to score points. I posted a link to other critics' responses -- as I often do, and as I often do to my own work -- because I thought it was good writing about a band I've intermittently liked, including their last album.

Well, it would seem like if you do give 1975 obsessives enough rope they will hang themselces eventually. The biggest surprise is that it happened so quick.

*themselves

get out

Alfred linked to a review of the 1975 single so we could discuss it here. That's about as normal as things get on an internet forum about music. Having those reviews - including Katherine's - discussed here is too. That's not "vulgar" ffs.

anyway a new song came out a couple of days ago!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li9swopkHTo

the spotify vid is cute

for fuck's sake, the review is deleted. it's gone. it no longer exists. please stop talking about and please do not mention me in this thread ever again

also calling me a troll and calling my viewpoint -- shared by six other people in that post alone, not to mention many other people -- "insane" is the opposite of "thoughtful dialog."

talking about the 1975 anywhere at all on the internet as a non-stan apparently

http://wondermark.com/c/2014-09-19-1062sea.png

why is this still happening

Because a bunch of 1975 obsessives got butthurt about someone's opinion.

i cannot think of anything worse than yesterday's conversation except you continuing it by being smug, so please, this isn't remotely from a place of beef, stop it

Well, you did ask the question!

all of you head over to the mitski thread for a cool-off pls

I have been asleep for the past six to seven hours and have had the apparently objectionable review taken down, so unless I have spontaneously developed the ability to sleep-post and have those posts be invisible upon waking up, the reason this is still happening is not me

no one is mentioning you itt rn and i will encourage everyone to never mention you again and hopefully that continues for the rest of time

look, I'm sorry? as I said I was deliberately staying out of this thread before and I'm not the person who brought me into it by name

"Why is everyone still talking about me ... Me ... ME ... ME!!!!!!

look, I said I’m sorry

I don't think you've got anything to apologise for, tbh!

5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten) at 10:24 16 Aug 18

katherine, why do you even care that a gaggle of doughy aging nerds have a different opinion than you about a band for teenagers writing the Pepe version of Say Anything’s “Admit It!”

yeah I mean you could just email Whiney

seriously though posting the 30 Seconds to Mars covers cracked me up

all of you head over to the mitski thread for a cool-off pls

― imago, Friday, August 17, 2018 8:45 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

leave us alone. go bug... *looks at topics* whatever brightblack morning light is

Lmao at being accused of sea lioning bc I tried to engage a writer who posts on this board after their writing was posted to this thread ... Christ alive be more dramatic

"no one's upset with you"

deej stop it

i'm so fucking exhausted

So... anyone want to talk about the new 1975 material?

personally i hear more afrobeats than 'tropical house' in its rhythmic dna

Re the new single I don’t have a problem w the approach musically at all, I agree that lyrically it feels like a bit of a step down and maybe not a single that sticks with you but “the sound” is kind of an imperfect record also... idk to me it’s ok

I really don’t get the comparison to “the sound” sonically, lyrically I think “tootime” is really simple and direct in a way that complements the breezy atmosphere of the music well

I can take or leave either single, and while I didn't like "Love It If We Made It" I prefer the 1975 when Healy gets creepy over mid tempo ruminations ("A Change of Heart" might be my favorite 1975 song

It may end up being the kind of track that is a bit of a "light relief" moment after a more emotionally heavier section of the album, from the sounds of it.

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My favourite 1975 song is either 'Paris' or 'Lostmyhead' ...

I haven't read what Katherine wrote so I am not saying this is what she did at all. There's this thing in music criticism that mostly happens on twitter, sometimes on small blurbs outlet like Singles Jukebox and even on ILX, that I just can't stand. Some critics will just truly dismiss music and barely explains why, like it would be self-evident that band shouldn't make music, like the notion of 'different strokes for different folks' never existed. To even like the song is some sort of injury to 'good taste'. The thing is, sometimes some people really love that song, they will have built a particular emotional connection with and suddenly to have this particular emotional connection seen by the experts on the field as a character fault, well it hurts. I understand one shouldn't take those personally but it does hurt.

This is shit Lex used to do all the time here and it was truly infuriating. Part of it is because the lines between writing music criticism as a professional and just being a music critic writing for fun on many different online outlets have been obviously blurred. However, if you claim any professional title to music criticism and you dismiss music people love without doing proper research as to why they love it, or if you just can't be arsed to be respectful of what other people like, then I suggest to get ready to be called a troll, even if it it not true at all.

turrican otm, back to maybe discussing the music then

give katherine a break christ

Yeah dude. Not the time

i can’t see why that post was necessary

I’m kinda liking the tootimetootime song. Very early daft punk

i have v much grown to love it

tooti#metoo time

i too yearn for the pre social media days when all disagreement was non-dismissive and replete with 'different strokes' caveats

To “two-time” is to be unfaithful in a relationship or to sleep with multiple women at the same time without informing any of them.

Taking the theme of the album, online relationships, into consideration, Matty could be saying this in a satirical manner, poking fun at society.

Hypersexualization in the media is a prevalent and pressing issue in the 21st century. Matty might be suggesting that our society makes it easy to be led into temptation.

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whiney, go fuck yourself