Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

aziz's low-level brohamminess was both what made that story (which had its problems!) super relatable and open to "what, it's not like she was ASSAULTED" criticism

(insert long rant about how capitalism and the entertainment industry are both inherently mean-reverting)

aziz also had ONE accusation compared to about 74627 accusations against Louis CK going back years. Louis CK will not have a comeback any time soon. Aziz may well.

Louis CK was part of a larger problem extending back for a long time, since I guess Carlin? Pryor?, which will probably continue forever, is this really bad idea that nightclub comics are the great philosophers and truth tellers of our age

duh, Lenny Bruce

(not to say that the problem was larger than #metoo! i just meant that his fall from grace as perceived harder because so many people had invested all this energy in thinking he was a lot deeper and more meaningful than he was)

I mean, everyone lives in different whisper circles I guess

this story got a little more complicated

I just received this statement from @AsiaArgento in response to the NYT story published late Sunday evening. pic.twitter.com/jAOo7TAULX

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) August 21, 2018

It's tough. Obviously I want to believe people who are vulnerable—especially given the way Hollywood's exploitative nature damages so many people. But I have to say, the huge network of bad actors working for Weinstein and the way the insane V1g1l4nt C1t1zen/P1zz4g4te/Q4n0n types who have taken over the comment section of my guilty pleasure blind item site LOATHE Asia give me pause.

Louis CK was part of a larger problem extending back for a long time, since I guess Carlin? Pryor?, which will probably continue forever, is this really bad idea that nightclub comics are the great philosophers and truth tellers of our age

― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 21, 2018 6:44 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've seen climate change/"extinction is bad" disbelievers use a Carlin routine to substantiate their beliefs. all this bite size "guy at the bar talking at you" bullshit is extremely easy to digest and they make for perfect encapsulations to people who just want to say "This." and toss a link at you.

I hate to tell you uppermiss, but "nightclub comic" Richard Pryor was in fact one of the most profound popular artists of 20th century America. (He was also a drug addict and a woman beater, who both suffered and inflicted suffering.)

I know very little about Asia Argento even in the public sphere, and I wouldn't berate anyone who is skeptical of (rather than denying) her guilt, just as I am of Woody Allen's. We don't know these people.

morbz otm

btw if it's the same George Carlin routine the climate change harrumphers are invoking, the essence of it is Carlin saying "The planet will be fine (without humans), what Save the Planet means is SAVE US." I don't see how that can be used for "bring on the melting ice caps" by anyone but an idiot.

i've seen climate change/"extinction is bad" disbelievers use a Carlin routine to substantiate their beliefs. all this bite size "guy at the bar talking at you" bullshit is extremely easy to digest and they make for perfect encapsulations to people who just want to say "This." and toss a link at you.

― omar little, Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:02 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The same for voting/not voting at elections.

Morbz otm re: Pryor.

yeah morbs i'm with you on your points

I guess this belongs here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/nyregion/sexual-harassment-nyu-female-professor.html

When I was at Cal in the early 90's Ronnell was a professor there (in the comp lit department) and up-and-coming as a 'celebrity philosopher' the extent that such things exist. I was rather interested in the Telephone Book which is lovely although was mostly incomprehensible to me at the time (probably still would be). Even then on campus there were rumors that she would take particular interest in one graduate student a year and take them on as a lover, or something. Such behaviour was extremely prevalent in the 90's, my guess is a good amount of it was consensual, and a good amount of it probably hinged on these kinds of power dynamics that make things ugly. At any rate, Judith Butler comes across very poorly here IMO.

― akm, Tuesday, August 14, 2018 3:04 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah very disappointed in Butler, victims are victims, regardless of gender.

Even if those are 100% consensual the whole teacher/student relationship cliché in academia needs to stop.

i'm not saying he (or they) weren't great, i'm just saying there's def. something i see more and more where people post shit on twitter or facebook where comedians are treated as if they ("SO MUCH THIS!!") can perfectly encapsulate these issues..where like, ultimately it IS comedy some comedy is a lot deeper for a lack of better word, but ultimately it's art and i think as people read less and generally engage w/thought less it's easy to put comedians like CK on this pedestal when I think comedy by nature has to simplify things and work on upending and using cliches for comedic effect

which is what i'm trying to talk about not pryor or carlin or any one comedian

like i didn't mean to denigrate pryor so much as express concern that fairly large number of american males regard joe rogan as an important thinker

To UMS's point:

http://time.com/4022386/life-quotes-louis-ck/

yeah that kind of stuff i was seeing it all the time

Rogan's fans don't think he's an "important thinker," they think his guests (Peterson, Shapiro, Rubin, et al.) are important thinkers, which is much worse.

rogan deserves his own (possibly deindexed) thread

who thinks Rubin is a deep thinker?

they just borrow each other's sugar

http://addictedtoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/joe-rogan-quotes-on-life-greatness-and-madness-quote-joe-rogan-ufc-mma-presenter-podcast-funny-love-wife-children.jpg

i won't subject you all to the horrors i have seen google image searching "joe rogan life quotes"

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FLddQ0aQKhI/Usr0zImglkI/AAAAAAAAMho/eoKsNQM7dy0/s1600/joe+rogan.jpg

yeah that is true. judging by the subreddit (don't judge me i have to be on reddit for work), it's cotton candy fluff quotes like that and making fun of him for being stoned as shit and telling the same stories all the time. you'd be surprised how many people think Rubin is an intellectual.

also Rogan is responsible for JP's popularity exploding. afaik "Clean your room" was coined on JRE in May 2017.

Joe Rogan is a dipstick

https://www.chronicle.com/blogs/letters/judith-butler-explains-letter-in-support-of-avital-ronell/

https://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Unsexy-Truth-About-the/244314

second article linked is boomingly OTM

Judith Butler’s “mistakes were made that many people can learn from and anyway it was a draft” does not convince

An indie comics author of zero note sues everyone who's ever tweeted warning ppl to avoid him bcz of repeated alleged sexual assaults: http://www.tcj.com/rape-sexual-harassment-allegations-prompt-defamation-suit-from-small-press-comics-publisher/

Don’t say he’s of zero note, you might wind up being cited as evidence he isn’t a public figure.

I mean, if she ended up regretting it, you know, we can’t really help that.

though i admit aside from the rape all that other stuff about him sounds like a typical American small business owner HEYO

Several of my friends are getting fucked by this financially (it costs just as much to hire a lawyer to answer a garbage nuisance charge - and they all do have to hire lawyers). It’s stunning that someone can just up and do this.

On the other hand, the whole initiative is going to have exactly the opposite effect to the one he’s aiming for, so that’ll be gratifying to observe... eventually. Right now it’s just infuriating.

Needless to say, I only want to discuss this asshole semi-anonymously at the moment.

I’ve heard rumors that fr@nk s@ntoro has engaged in some very shady shit with female cartoonists as well. Wondering if anything is going to come of that.

I’ve heard rumors fr@nk s@ntoro has done some shady shit to female cartoonists. Wondering if anything will come of that.

Oh jeez really? I’ve not heard that one.

Yeah my husband has always really liked him, and even did a deluxe reprint of one of his books awhile ago, so it’s pretty disturbing. But it’s just vague rumors at this point, afaik, nothing very concrete.

this story got a little more complicated

I just received this statement from @AsiaArgento in response to the NYT story published late Sunday evening. pic.twitter.com/jAOo7TAULX
— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) August 21, 2018
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, August 21, 2018 11:38 AM (ten hours ago)

honestly who knows, but this smells like BS

Xpost oh I guess I know your husband haha. My publisher and I tried to tap him to write a foreword to one of my things.

Conspicuously missing from that Asia Argento statement is any reference to the pictures of her and Bennett together, which, according to the NYT article, show them in bed with "their unclothed torsos exposed". I don't see how to square that with her claim that she and Bennett never had any sexual relationship.

taking fun photos when kicking it with work friends /= fucking

Xps I doubt it - we’re a tiny press, virtually unknown, and my husband would’ve said yes to something like that! It was a reprint of Bl@st Furn@ce Funnies.

taking fun photos when kicking it with work friends /= fucking

I'm willing to stake all my credibility as an occasional ILX poster on the claim that 99% of adults who take topless photos in bed together have had some kind of sexual relationship.

99% of adults aren't Asia Argento though 🤷‍♀️

More than that probably.

poll

Reports that it was Bourdain who made the payment just add a whole new level of grimness to what already feels like a sad and fucked up situation.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Unsexy-Truth-About-the/244314

Thanks for the link, Milton. By far the most enlightening analysis I've read so far.