Smashing Pumpkins: Fresh Fruit or Rotten Veg?

There were others, but I can't think of 'em off the top of my head ...

yes. 08-10 was the nadir of the band imo

Glad Billy is being positive now because it’s working - this tour has been surprisingly successful, and brought a lot of old fans back on board.

He's giving people what they want with this tour - whereas ten years ago he'd "reformed" the Pumpkins pretty much in name only and was stubbornly refusing to play a lot of old stuff. Audiences were paying money to see Corgan, Jimmy and some newbies plough their way through a lot of new material - not all of it good.

Y'know - in a way, it's a shame that Corgan has abandoned the whole Teargarden by Kaliedyscope thing, given that he was only 10 songs or so away from finishing it - and I'm guessing all of those are on the unreleased album that were supposed to come out after Monuments ...

A friend saw their show last night... Said it was good, but low-energy.

There's another new song coming out in a couple of weeks (13th Sept), called Silvery Sometimes (Ghosts).

It was last night's show that they streamed live, right?

Yes

Did you watch it? I've only seen odd songs from previous nights and can kind of see why morrisp's friend says that about the energy, but I'll still give this full show a watch most likely.

No. The show I saw last month was enough. It is low energy, at least compared to SP in the 90s. Nothing they can do about it, they’re all over 50, Billy just looks silly singing Bullet and Siva. Even Cherub Rock was dull. Dug the show but there’s so many amazing 90s bootlegs out there, have no interest in watching clips from the Shiny tour.

Having said all that, I’ll reiterate again that the solo show I saw last fall was the best Billy/SP show I’ve been to by a long shot, and I’ve seen him/them 8 or 9 times. Ogilala was great. He can do acoustic and piano stuff well into old age, but the arena rock thing is done for him. Still, a good show worth seeing. My man can still shred, sing OK, and pull off stuff like Porcelina, Hummer, Mayo, Rhino, + all the softer stuff.

Yeah my pal said the ballad-type songs seemed to work better.

Curious to see what happens next. This tour has restored the band's brand more than anything else they've done since 2007. I wonder what Billy is going to do with that (success) again.

did they ever do a "Siamese Dream all the way thru" show/tour, flappy? (or anyone else)

i don't mean *ever* i mean like a 20th, 25th ann'y type of thing

they've never played an album in sequence. closest to themed shows were the In Plainsong tours in 2015 & 2016, which included middle sections full of Adore & SD material, respectively. So not just album tracks, stuff like Jersey Shore, Whir, and Sparrow. I saw the SD section, it was good, especially this solo mellotron version of Disarm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPymWbq2GD4

Can’t stop listening to “bullet with the butterfly wings” recently

Jesus was an oooooOoooonly son

My sincere condolences

Hahahaha!

I wonder what Billy is going to do with that (success) again.

My guess is that he'll find some way of fucking it up as usual.

(and it will be everyone else's fault, as usual)

That’s the safe bet

the new track Silvery Sometime (Ghosts) is much better than Solara and definitely a better song than I thought Billy was capable of these days

oh that's exciting!!!

it feels a lot like one of the poppier Machina tracks except without the muddy production

oh wow that description is otm

album is Shiny And Oh So Bright, Vol. 1 / LP: No Past. No Future. No Sun. out 16 November

Knights of Malta
Silvery Sometimes (Ghosts)
Travels
Solara
Alienation
Marchin' On
With Sympathy
Seek and You Shall Destroy

lmao never change Billy. what are the chances he ever makes it to volume 2

zero ;p

this isn't saying much but Silvery Sometimes is maybe the best song he's released since Zwan

Certainly sounds Zwany. Not crazy about it but it's better than Solara, which as much as I dislike(d?), has been stuck in my head all summer. I don't think I've actually listened to it since July.

Silvery Sometimes sounds car commercial pop/alt rock. It's good. Now I'm listening to Solara and actually sort of enjoying it? What the fuck?

"Silvery Sometimes" has more emotional heft than "Solara" (wtf was that song anyway), although I kept waiting for a chorus and then the song ended. Listening to it some more. I like it! Hoping the LP has a bit more to sink your teeth into.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSb9YSr38u8

this isn't saying much but Silvery Sometimes is maybe the best song he's released since Zwan

― ufo, Thursday, September 13, 2018 8:36 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hmmmm don't know if i'd go that far but this def is in "ma belle" territory quality-wise

wish I voted for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMBFts2aoAM

yo flappy i think you'll really enjoy this if you haven't watched it already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XtQRODxJYg

zane gets into "the time when it really started clicking, the european festival tour for siamese dream"

oh and then billy starts talking about lolla 94

Does he mention getting Pavement kicked off the bill? lol

oh snap, I missed this latest salvo: http://exclaim.ca/music/article/stephen_malkmus_writes_off_the_smashing_pumpkins_reunion_as_fake

haha classic malkmus

lmao Malkmus: "I'm into Zwan. Zwan was good."

thanks for sharing that Brad, listening now.

internet agrees that stephen malkmus and rosemarie dewitt are the same person

zwan WAS good!

yes they were

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDVbkFRVTh8

I never understood the "Range Life" diss (good song, btw). What's a "nature kid" and does he say "uh, they don't have no function" or "I/they don't have no function"? The former makes sense but the latter doesn't (because no way is SM being self-effacing). Either way the verse isn't very funny so I never understood why the band said they couldn't stop laughing when SM sang the lyrics the first time...must have been a pretty dull session if that'll make you lose your lunch.

At any rate, D'arcy must have made quite an impression on SM!

It's "I/They don't have no function." He's playing a character but it's semi-autobiographical - he is being self-effacing but I think the dis is sincere, too - admitting he's out of touch with the rock mainstream and at the same time saying that if these chumps are the rock mainstream in 1994, why would I want to be in touch? Also trolling Corgan's ego, which obviously worked. (N.B. I was 12 in the 90s and love all three bands, but I get where Malkmus is coming from here. And Corgan deserves to be trolled endlessly for the remainder of his public life.) "Nature kids" I've always thought of as filler words.

Has anyone ever noticed or commented on the Stone Temple Pilots line that comes next in the song?

At any rate, D'arcy must have made quite an impression on SM!

Well he was vaguely comparing her absence to Lindsey Buckingham's in Fleetwood Mac...

What I mean to say is that if his main objection to a so-called Pumpkins reunion with Billy, James, and Jimmy is that D'arcy is not around, then he must have a hugely favorable opinion of whatever she contributed to that band.

Btw I always liked the funny Scott Weiland impression after the STP line.

Keep in mind that Billy hit Pavement hard when they reunited in 2010: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/nov/16/billy-corgan-pavement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9czpVjVL1wM

apparently they streamed their seattle show last month on twitter in case anyone wants to live/relive this show

i skipped right to "porcelina" and damn