the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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Gone over anti-Semitism.

What's the real reason?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link

About to be deselected by his CLP?

suzy, Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:39 (five years ago) link

that sounds likely.

calzino, Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:40 (five years ago) link

Meanwhile Sky are happily reporting the news about the Sadiq Khan balloon while conveniently omitting to mention that the guy behind it is a massive antisemite and racist.

Matt DC, Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link

I'm not a fan of Khan, but props to him taking it in good humour.

calzino, Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link

Not death obv., what has never lived can never die.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:46 (five years ago) link

Expect Field is boarding a ship for Whitby as we speak

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link

Owen Jones is saying deselection. There were moves in that direction but I didn't get a sense of it actually happening.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link

I would like to express mild disappointment that the first post after devvvine's announcement wasn't maracas.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link

FF lost a no-confidence vote tabled by his constituency party a month or so ago (for voting with the government when he could have helped topple it)

mark s, Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:57 (five years ago) link

I'm not a fan of Khan, but props to him taking it in good humour.

Also he knows the whole point of it was to troll him into accusations of hypocrisy after he let the Trump balloon go up, and he's not stupid enough to take the bait.

Matt DC, Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link

The Khan balloon sort of looks like it could've been designed by (a racist misogynist) David Shrigley.

nashwan, Thursday, 30 August 2018 16:03 (five years ago) link

wait shrigley is bad not good??

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 August 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link

nashwan means *if* shrigley were bad not good in these ways he might have done this

mark s, Thursday, 30 August 2018 16:05 (five years ago) link

Aye, I could've done words better there.

nashwan, Thursday, 30 August 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link

*deletes half-composed tweet*

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 August 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link

Appearing at the state house in Nairobi in a joint press conference with May, Kenyatta was asked about an agreement to allow stolen funds in Britain to be returned to Kenyato fund health, education and other development projects

He said: “Last year, if you recall, the foreign secretary – then Boris, erm, Boris, Boris Johnson – the bicycle guy ... Boris Johnson was here with ambulances. These ambulances were bought courtesy of funds that had been seized, returned and utilised to buy ambulances which were distributed across the country.

“I believe this only strengthens that and the ability of our two countries and legal systems to be able to work together to ensure that any assets that may have been acquired in the United Kingdom – that are associated with corruption or any other such crime – are successfully returned and put to use for the benefit of the people of the republic.”

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 30 August 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link

the bicycle guy because none of his own schemes were worth shit guy

nashwan, Thursday, 30 August 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link

Sheerman must be next, he's been on the counter-offensive to Momentum in the local rag and mysteriously an old racist tweet of his emerged the other day. Field was a mess on PM. He seems to think his massive majority in a Merseyside seat is down to him! Same with Sheerman, often people are saying he's just an old dodgy bastard that lives in a castle outside W Yorkshire, too busy with his lobbying/grifting income streams to gaf about Hudds. He pissed off the football fans by mistakenly cheering Sheff Wednesday's goal in the playoff game last year. And then he was criticising a proposed safe-standing area at Leeds Rd. Every time he opens his mouth something either completely wrong or bullshit comes out.

calzino, Thursday, 30 August 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link

Field isn't entirely wrong, brand recognition counts for a lot amongst the bovine end of the electorate.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 30 August 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link

altho on his Five Live interview he didn't seem to appreciate the irony of complaining about people being allowed to rejoin Labour after standing against them in earlier elections, and threatening to run as an independent at the next one.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 30 August 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link

i'm high fiving TM on her latest dance moves, there's something there.

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Thursday, 30 August 2018 20:01 (five years ago) link

I feel a lot of empathy with socially awkward weirdos, but alas this one has long since crossed the rubicon, and would love to see her dancing off a bridge tbh.

calzino, Thursday, 30 August 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link

simon danzcuk got just 883 votes when he stood as an independent against labour in 2017 -- field's been in place for a lot longer and probably will garner some residual personal loyalty but the "brand recognition" is as often as not the party rather than the person

mark s, Thursday, 30 August 2018 20:22 (five years ago) link

I know in Hudds there has been a lot of ppl voting for the Labour brand, rather than the MP, and getting increasingly vocal about how the Sheerman brand makes entering that voting booth and voting in his name feel like an act of trudging through deep puddles of vomit.

calzino, Thursday, 30 August 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link

Most people in Vauxhall have been voting Labour through very gritted teeth (I was going to say "for many years" but I don't know how many people who live in Vauxhall have lived there for a very long time. Vanishingly few, I'd imagine)

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 30 August 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link

"Most people in Vauxhall have been voting Labour through very gritted teeth"

sometimes imitation is the most sincerest form of empathy :p

calzino, Thursday, 30 August 2018 21:12 (five years ago) link

LOL @ Emily Maitlis' entirely balanced coverage of Frank Field's resignation on Newsnight.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 August 2018 21:46 (five years ago) link

great show of unity from the party members there "refusing to talk to each other directly"

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 30 August 2018 21:50 (five years ago) link

tbf I'd refuse to talk to Chris Williamson directly.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 August 2018 21:55 (five years ago) link

what an absolute cunt he is. He makes me want to dance with Theresa May.

calzino, Thursday, 30 August 2018 21:59 (five years ago) link

Has anybody ever seen Theresa May clapping on the backbeat? Thought not.

— Richard Williams (@rwilliams1947) August 30, 2018

calzino, Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:31 (five years ago) link

tfw when you're being interviewed about swimming but really want to talk about making @jeremycorbyn PM 💖🌹 pic.twitter.com/L1L0UZ10bR

— Left Design (@UK_LDC) August 29, 2018

love this autistic guy and his companion!

calzino, Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:52 (five years ago) link

Good work that man

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 30 August 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link

fantastic.

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 30 August 2018 23:34 (five years ago) link

The new centrist party, United For Change, has apparently split into two smaller centrist parties before launch.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 31 August 2018 07:39 (five years ago) link

Interviewee on Today just stated that Labour had "become the nazi party" and was not challenged at all about this.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 31 August 2018 08:14 (five years ago) link

ffs if journalists have to challenge interviewees' every self-evidently true assertion they'll never get anything done

my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 31 August 2018 08:26 (five years ago) link

Rusbridger's long read on who broke the news fleetingly making one nostalgic for ten years ago again :/

nashwan, Friday, 31 August 2018 09:07 (five years ago) link

It does feel like we're trapped in a spiral where the media have cried wolf on Corbyn so many times that when something of substance crops up - as it did last week - you get a load of twats basically saying 'there is no antisemitism, it's all a conspiracy', which is just profoundly unhelpful. You only need to look across the Atlantic to see what happens when someone genuinely malevolent works out how to turn that to their advantage.

Like virtually every major institution in Britain has let people down over the last decade or more, and the current crisis is in a big way a crisis of institutions, and there are very good reasons why we're now such a low-trust society. The question of how those institutions rebuild that trust is a massive one, because some of the people that flourish in the wreckage are much worse.

I would 100% love to see a by-election in Field's constituency though, by all accounts he's just a terrible, lazy constituency MP, doesn't even live there etc etc. He would be comprehensively clowned and that would make this all worthwhile.

Matt DC, Friday, 31 August 2018 09:27 (five years ago) link

it doesn't help when everyone inc BBC is reporting that Field resinged because of AS - fact - when everyone knows he is so far to the right on immigration, that this holds no water at all.

calzino, Friday, 31 August 2018 09:33 (five years ago) link

resigned even!

calzino, Friday, 31 August 2018 09:33 (five years ago) link

The great thing about confecting a point of principle like that is that it's very difficult to prove it isn't confected. Plenty of people vocally oppose antisemitism when it suits them while also publically holding other equally right-wing views, but that takes us back round to the hierarchy of acceptable bigotry again.

Matt DC, Friday, 31 August 2018 09:37 (five years ago) link

Please please please Frank call a by-election and stand as Independent Labour. He won't though, if he's got any sense, he'll just sit there to the next election. Soooooooo much bilge being written and spoken about this trolling Tory wanker.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Friday, 31 August 2018 09:37 (five years ago) link

even Field was embarrassed by Tony Livesey repeatedly trying to get him to call Corbyn an antisemite when all he really wanted to talk about was nasty constituency bullies trying to deselect him.

hurt shaped bowks (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 August 2018 09:39 (five years ago) link

Kate Hoey next? Maybe she can resign next Thursday so we can all enjoy our weekend a bit more.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 31 August 2018 09:41 (five years ago) link

Spread the joy.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 31 August 2018 09:41 (five years ago) link

Hoey shd've gone first, she could've organized this rabble into a proper marching band and they could've left together in the manner befitting.

hurt shaped bowks (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 August 2018 09:43 (five years ago) link

Yes the weird thing from the interview I read is that Field isn't going round calling Corbyn an antisemite. Even said the comparison's to Powell were over the top.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 31 August 2018 09:47 (five years ago) link

And he's said Corbyn should fight the next election as he has won two leadership contests..

xyzzzz__, Friday, 31 August 2018 09:50 (five years ago) link


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