Orson Welles' at-long-last assembled THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND

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likely seeing Sept 29 at NYFF

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 August 2018 04:25 (five years ago) link

I imagine the Q&A's at these fest screenings could be quite lively for a change

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 August 2018 04:27 (five years ago) link

Glenn Kenny: no masterpiece, but a staggering "vehicle for self-loathing"

https://www.rogerebert.com/festivals-and-awards/venice-film-festival-2018-a-star-is-born-the-other-side-of-the-wind

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 September 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link

no masterpiece, but a staggering "vehicle for self-loathing"

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princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 1 September 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link

Have my ticket!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:44 (five years ago) link

Jonathan Rosenbaum weighs in on Letterboxd (5 stars):

Scary, elusive, easy to misunderstand, and radical.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link

so mad TIFF didn't pick this up, lots of bizarre omissions this year

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link

as someone noted on twitter, logging it as a rewatch is a powermove

devvvine, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link

Big Crit Energy

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link

Oh. I thought you were going to post:

As we all know, though, one way of looking at the story of “A Star Is Born”—and the new film starring Cooper and Lady Gaga in what deserves to be called a breakout performance (and I don’t really care how you think her mouth looks when she sings, buddy)

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link

Don’t know when this gets to Seattle but next month there’s a screening of Too Much Johnson with live score from William Tyler.

JoeStork, Friday, 7 September 2018 23:13 (five years ago) link

too much johnson is always better than not enough johnson

milkshake duck george bernard shaw (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:02 (five years ago) link

I sat through the TLJ footage... there IS too much, and it's not a movie.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:14 (five years ago) link

TMJ, rather

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:14 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Sort of his The Last Movie crossed with Stardust Memories, with all the praise and damnation that implies.

Too much Bogdanovich (esp his fucking impressions) and film-within-the-film (tho it's very handsomely shot). Norman Foster and Lilli Palmer impress, along with Huston.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 September 2018 06:18 (five years ago) link

Sort of his The Last Movie crossed with Stardust Memories

That...is something. What did Kevin say, Beyond the Valley of the Dolls directed by Raul Ruiz I think.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 30 September 2018 07:18 (five years ago) link

yeah, he's on crack :)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 September 2018 13:40 (five years ago) link

I mean I figure it's essentially of a technical piece with F for Fake.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 30 September 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link

I'm guessing KJB and I are going to be on the same wavelength on this one.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Sunday, 30 September 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link

oh do u

I rewatched Fake Friday night; it's a trifle, mostly.

Someone on the panel after the film, maybe Scorsese, pointed out that Welles' economic constraints centered his later films in the editing. Bogdanovich asked Welles why he wasn't doing sleek master shots like in the '40s, and the answer was essentially "I don't have the money and time."

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 September 2018 16:03 (five years ago) link

e.g. this film has the usual scenes where 3 actors are in three different countries, cut together

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 September 2018 16:05 (five years ago) link

Makes sense because Bogdanovich often talks as if in three different countries.

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 September 2018 16:12 (five years ago) link

Free screening in Santa Monica next week, capping a week of (not free) double features.

My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Friday, 12 October 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Manohla Dargis' qualified endorsement today is roughly in line with my feelings. Michael Phillips is correct that it's a "ghostly affair."

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-other-side-of-the-wind/critic-reviews

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link

I liked Odie Henderson's too (though I think Welles finecut the Hannaford sexploitation segments):

https://www.laweekly.com/movies/the-other-side-of-the-wind-9830972

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link

I am obviously v excited to see this but not surprised that the editing would not be up to Welles' standards, editing being one of his greatest talents

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 November 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link

xp Odie is a friend, but I could give two shits about what Joe Schmo thinks about Welles' long-lost project

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Friday, 2 November 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link

well yeah

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link

I don't know how detailed Welles' notes on his intended edits were, but as I noted in Scorsese's observation above it seems the budget/resource limitations of the shooting dictated a staccato editing rhythm (which was only true of early Welles in certain sequences... here it's pretty much start to finish).

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link

yeah, makes sense. F for Fake is like that too

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 November 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link

Which is among the best-edited movies ever, or thereabouts.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Friday, 2 November 2018 17:41 (five years ago) link

yeah I love it

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 November 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link

Touch of Evil is playing at the Castro next wednesday and would be super-hard for me to get to but I am sorely tempted... I actually just watched in on netflix a couple weeks ago and at the time I thought to myself how great it would be to see it on the big screen and so

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 November 2018 17:48 (five years ago) link

I am still gobsmacked by any accusations of greatness leveled at F for Fake, after rewatching it just before Other Side.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2018 17:57 (five years ago) link

for once he doesn't bother trying to convey anything with any emotional weight or resonance and just focuses on one of the things he does best - a series of dazzling tricks. sometimes that's enough.

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 November 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link

and it's funny!

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 November 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link

Yes, to all of that.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Friday, 2 November 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link

Even though I remember resonance alongside the rest.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Friday, 2 November 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link

Frauds like the French guy and Clifford Irving just don't interest me. The Chartes cathedral scene is brilliant, I'll give ya that. (for the voiceover and the writing as well as that soft hazy image)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2018 18:25 (five years ago) link

and nobody fell for the Oja-Picasso thing the first time, did they? Maybe Merv Griffin.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2018 18:26 (five years ago) link

btw in THIS film, Manohla Dargis otm on how Oja is seen/employed.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link

That she got away with the line about Oja's ass surprised me.

F is For Fake delivers on what the title promises: a sleigh of hand, a delicious legerdemain. It needn't be overpraise.

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 November 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link

Joseph McBride weighs in on some Oja-related authorship issues

http://www.wellesnet.com/authorship-other-side-wind/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2018 20:23 (five years ago) link

Gosh -- still processing this after one viewing but, if anything, the hippie hangout/reatroom/night sex drive sequence is remarkable, paychedelic filmmaking. Bravo, Orson, Graver and co.

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 3 November 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link

on Netflix

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 November 2018 19:57 (five years ago) link

Also, the accompanying documentary is really good. And sad. And funny.

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 3 November 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link

finally got around to giving this a watch. it's hilarious and trashy and pathetic. it's not a Great Film but i'm not interested in the whole Great Film mythos around welles. it's also very different in substance (though not spirit) from the 40 minutes of rough footage i saw, which barely glanced at the topic of welles' gay panic (not sure of the provenance, perhaps mcbride-era?)

the one thing i liked least about this edit - i wasn't a fan of most of the music, though the shitty blue cheer jam was spot-on and fantastic.

dub pilates (rushomancy), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link

welles' gay panic

he doesn't seem to have been particularly panicked about it afaict. He loved to insinuate he'd had gay relationships.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link

this is my planned election-night viewing btw

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link

Welles and Kodar's last script The Big Brass Ring finally makes the homo subtexts the text.

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 21:25 (five years ago) link

In They'll Love Me, that Tonight Show clip of OW and Burt Reynolds bashing Bogdanovich, and the story of the two letters, are perhaps the last word on the Welles-Bogdo relationship.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 November 2018 15:06 (five years ago) link

"I'm Marvin P. Fassbender."

"Of course you are."

(that actor is in a bunch of John Carpenter films, it seems)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 November 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link

I like Neville's doc more than Other Side, don't @ me.

I think I may have too, tbh? although there was some incredibly stupid stuff in it - Alan Cummings, Star Wars footage etc

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 November 2018 16:06 (five years ago) link

god I wanted to hurl a film reel at Cummings' neck

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 November 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link

yeah, I docked it a notch for onscreen emceeing

I think Star Wars bringing an end to the New Hollywood, and Orson's imagined window of opportunity, is legit.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 November 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link

oh I think the underlying point is accurate and fine, using cutesy editing of Star Wars footage as an allegory of Orson's struggles was just going too far with it.

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 November 2018 16:56 (five years ago) link

hey it's Netflix! i saw it at MoMA with a Neville Q&A after, and there was inevitable discussion of the similarities btwn Welles and Fred Rogers...

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 November 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link

...

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 November 2018 17:04 (five years ago) link

They were mavericks!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 November 2018 17:04 (five years ago) link

In case you didn't know, Neville did the Mr Rogers doc, which looks poised to win the Oscar and many other awards.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 November 2018 17:05 (five years ago) link

yeah I know, I haven't bothered with it

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 November 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link

Suicide AND Yes - two of my fave ever groups - onnthe soundtrack made this much better in my eyea than it probably actually is. Still, a very good docu ( Cumming notwithstanding) and I like how low key Bogdo was in this. A bit too much Rich Little for me. Could never stand him even as a kid in the 70s when he was fuckin' EVERYWHERE on network TV.

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 12 November 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link

but his experience with this film is pretty amazing, moreso when he wasn't really an actor!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 November 2018 18:26 (five years ago) link

Given that so much of the cast is dead, he was worth including.

Gary Graver, the DP, is sort of the tragic supporting player in the story -- Joe Calleia to Orson's Quinlan.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 November 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link

for me rich little is an absolutely essential part of the story, moreso given that he's not in the finished film

dub pilates (rushomancy), Monday, 12 November 2018 18:43 (five years ago) link

I agree that he was an essential part. I don't deny that. Still...a little Little goes a long way with me.

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 12 November 2018 18:54 (five years ago) link

I wasn't really sure what to make of this on the whole, but it was kind of uncomfortable and a tough watch for me in a way I don't generally associate with Welles, partly I'm sure because Peter Bogdanovich makes my skin crawl and the men in this in general were disturbing/scary to me.

MrDasher, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 02:46 (five years ago) link

Just saw the Neville doc... So Welles liked to eat Fudgesicles and drink Fresca, I guess that was eye-opening

Josefa, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 04:07 (five years ago) link

And eat giant bags of Fritos.

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 04:28 (five years ago) link

they didnt hit that stuff real hard

nothing about him setting the record at Pink's Hot Dogs

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 04:29 (five years ago) link

It also does not really go into the huge chunk of TOSOTW's funds that went toward catering.

I can't see the movie ever being completed decades later had they kept Rich Little. Orson's interest in him reminds me of David Lynch's inexplicable fascination w/ the YouTube funny accents guy he cast in Twin Peaks: The Return.

Chris L, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 04:49 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Found this intermittently interesting but mostly tedious. Too much of the party and not enough of the film, or the relationship between Huston and his male lead. The scene with the English teacher was intense.

I'll watch the doc next.

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Friday, 7 December 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link

I won't say the doc is "better" than TOSOTW but it didn't bore in patches.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Finally watched this, a year after the hype. Really liked it, not a lot to say that hasn't been said. It is REALLY funny.

In all of the film-within-a-film footage I was waiting for the Pink Floyd soundtrack from Barbet Schroeder's "More" to kick in.


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